1949threepence

I'll come back to you later. Right now I've turned over from the news to watch the Bayern - Liverpool Champions League match

That gives remain an unfair advantage. If you include remain in a second referendum, then the remain vote from 2016 will be broadly the same, but the leave vote will be split between the other two options. Given that we've already voted by a majority to leave, it should be two options only. The deal or leave with no deal.

Yep, democratic principles have been sold down the river, and the wishes of the electorate, trashed. In fairness to May, she has worked tirelessly to push Brexit through, but has sadly failed due to treacherous elements in her own party, the intransigent bigoted DUP, and the Labour party. Corbyn full well knows that there is nothing in the current deal which Labour disagrees with, yet he deliberately goes against it as he puts his own self interest ahead of the country's. The more I see of this guy, the more I dislike him. He's also a proven liar as he did mouth "stupid woman" in December, If he'd said "people" his lips would have touched twice, and they only touched once. Incidentally, an extension to article 50 is not a foregone conclusion. May will have to go back to the EU, cap in hand, to request beg for this, and they are likely to exact a heavy humiliating price for us to get it.

Parliament has shafted the country because they can't agree on anything. As the can has continually been kicked down the road, business is suffering, we are likely to see further transfers of business elsewhere, with consequential loss of employment, and the constant all pervading uncertainty which we are all enduring at the moment. May's deal isn't perfect, but life rarely is. It's all we're going to get from the EU. Although I suspect that many MP's, ministers and shadow ministers thought they would eventually dance to our tune. Arrogant beyond all belief.

Understandable. If there is a general election, imminently, I won't even bother voting. Parliament has absolutely shafted the country (both sides). I'd lay odds that many others feel the same as me. If there's a second referendum, you can absolutely guarantee that they won't even reach agreement on the sodding question framework.

I wish I could laugh. The entire situation is bloody tragic.

Worse, to be honest. She looked deathly pale and had a really set angry look. Watch the footage if you get a chance.

May's face was like thunder though.

Beggars belief, doesn't it. Even more incredible that someone fell for it.

Sounds like there might be a meaningful breakthrough regarding the backstop. Nearest thing to an actual legal re-write that we could get. Maybe, just maybe, assuming not too many pig headed arrogant brexiters in parliament, this deal might just get through. Fingers crossed.

That's more like it !!!

Yes, well short of a fingerprint belonging to one of their staff appearing on a coin, it would be pretty much impossible to prove a case against them.

Is it me missing something very obvious, or is there a photo of only one of the 15 coins in that link?

Yes, they've got to say that as it could always be alleged (but never proved) that pre slabbing surface contamination was down to them, whilst the coin was in their offices.

Are they saying, though, that such deteriorations as do appear post slabbing, are due to changes that were initiated prior to slabbing? For example, it can take months for a carbon spot to appear, after a tiny drop of saliva lands on a coin surface.

I just feel sorry for whoever bought it. They've been ripped off. I see it went from Glendinnings in 1999 for £430, and even that was about 8 times too much in itself (in my opinion).

Matt proof? really? Thoughts? I must admit, it certainly doesn't look like a proof to me. But got good provenance and went for £2600 hammer. Doesn't look as though there's much to distinguish it from a normal currency strike. ETA: Sorry, meant to post this in the "More Pennies" thread. 06/03/2016 Auction 152 English Coins Lot 2472 Penny 1908 Matt Proof, as Freeman 167 dies 2+D, About as struck with subdued lustre, some small spots on either side, purchased from Glendinings 28/7/1999 hammer price £430, we note an example in a 2014 US auction Realised $8000 More coins like this £2,600

Had to laugh at this statement of the blindingly obvious from him:- Well, no shit Sherlock With e bay you have to take personal responsibility for your own actions in those shark infested waters. It really is no use expecting anyone else to nursemaid you through, including e bay themselves who are not interested, and wouldn't have the expertise if they were.

Well at least you've got faith.

Like you, I'd have noticed immediately.

The situation is too farcical to even laugh at. Things bad both sides of the pond, Bob.

Indeed. A worthwhile read. It's called "Decimal Dilemma A critique of the UK's decimalisation process". The author is Philip McLoughlin", and it starts on page 17. I think the author was indicating that allowing large sized 5p's and 10p's, along with the same sized shillings and florins, to circulate for so long after decimalisation, was not good. Especially as the 20p and round pound were introduced a good 7 or 8 years before demonetisation of the former came into effect. But I might have another read. Thanks for the heads up. I hadn't read the article before.

That's actually really interesting. If you personally managed to gather over 50 in EF+ condition over a 2 year period, it would suggest that a very large number had suddenly entered circulation many years after originally being minted, as other people would have similarly received the same sort of number. Sounds to me like a local phenomena - maybe a small town? Somebody clearing out a collection would surely have had only a very tiny impact, given the sheer volume of same denomination coinage in circulation. A few large bank bags? - well maybe, but that would pre-suppose that the majority of the released coins circulated for a long time purely within the local area. Maybe they did. If, say, some of the bags had been issued in request for change by local traders, I'm surprised that one of them didn't contact the media in an "interesting story" kind of way, which might well have led to somebody contacting the bank concerned for comment. All in one bag, they couldn't possibly have missed the significance. Perhaps they were just mixed in with all the rest.

Agreed. The reverse is an exceptionally good design on an otherwise very nice coin.

Not with you?