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September 2009 Jon, so not that far off 10 years ago. £500 was a bit OTT for that one. I like the way they describe it as "buckled", like a bike wheel......or is it merely "out of true"?

I suppose either Lee or Neil at the time. But fine is way too optimistic for that coin.

It's here Jon

There's davidrj's, which I see you've now got. But have you got the one posted on that thread by Gary on 25.4.14. I can't see that one. Maybe I'm overlooking it. So yes, two, as opposed to "a few".

I don't think that's the case at all. Many respondents on forums will split the quote in a long post, into a series of smaller quotes, so they can address the various points individually. I've done the same myself on other forums. The problem on this forum is that the entire quote is boxed. So you have to go into the quote itself to respond to the separate points individually. Hence Chris was making his response in a different colour to distinguish between quote and response.

That's looking suspiciously like a 164A - very neat capture, Jon. Well played that man. Better than average specimen as well

Not to worry, scrub that one Gary. That's great Pete, and will help Richard ( @secret santa ) with his new rarest penny slot for the F176. A few new specimens on there - link to thread

Gary, were they identified by the e bay sellers as F176's, or did you alone discern the fact from the pics of apparently plain 1913 pennies?

Yep, just compared side by side. 100% definitely the same coin, Pete.

Absolutely Terry - and of the F90 examples shown on Richard's rarest penny site, not one is above fine. As you say the Workman one, touted as a 176, went for £200, but is in fact a 174. The Copthorne specimen, which is uncirculated and very nice, only fetched £260.

No great loss either.

Exactly what I thought, Chris. Indeed, I'm not sure they're known as a key date variety even now. Although, they absolutely are. Underrated. Maybe the rarity No Freeman accorded to them means they're somewhat overlooked. Even those high grade 176's sold at LCA didn't go for very much in the grand scheme of things.

It's incredibly easy to make a mistake with attribution. You can stare and stare at a given coin and come up with different conclusions every time you look. If you Google 1908 pennies, and look at the LCA result for that, you'll see many, many misattributions for that year. Pennies passed as either F164 or F165, when they're actually 166. Although making a mistake with the 164, is pretty bad judgement, as that one is very obviously different.

Beauty !!!

I must admit Jon, I've looked at pretty much all the unattributed 1913's on e bay over the last few months, and not one of them has been a 175 or 176. The one I did get was attributed, as described. It's quite a painstaking task, as many of them are quite worn, or the photography is poor. So it's difficult to tell eitherway. Didn't notice with yours until you pointed it out, as I couldn't see the border teeth below the 1 of the date. Although looking again it's obviously it's the wrong obverse for a 176.

Very true, Pete. In fact some dealers (Rendel Ingram) don't have a clue what they are, just list as say 1908 or 1913, and when asked what Freeman types they are, send you a pic for you to work out.

I've now managed to obtain a 176 as well. Not much of a one to be honest, only straight fine. But purchased from topcarp1 (Stephen/John Jerrams), whose remarks about the coins he sells, are always well worth a read. This is what he said about this particular sale:- He's absolutely right, of course. Despite Freeman's rarity listing as N and R for the 175 and 176 respectively, I think they are much scarcer than that. This 176 will do until (and if) a better one becomes available, and I can get it.

The question is now stark. What happens next? Parliament is paralysed, but life and events are not. They will carry on regardless. We have to end up somewhere even if parliament is incapable of deciding. Will it ultimately be exit on WTO terms, be that 29th March or 30th June? As far as Mrs May's address to the nation, I think she expresses the frustration of so many people with this ongoing paralysis - parliament contemplating its navel as she said yesterday.

I noticed that idiot Wishart asking "when will she develop a backbone", and calling her "weak, weak , weak". She's actually anything but weak.

That woman has my maximum respect. I don't think anybody could have given more effort, or taken more hostility and abuse than she has, in her efforts to deliver the will of the people. I mean, let's be honest, the vast majority of individuals would have long since folded against such an onslaught.

You're probably right, but it wouldn't do any harm to test the waters - always assuming there's anybody there who has the remotest clue as to how to follow up on actually answering the question in a meaningful way. I tell a lie - link

Now the EU have advised that they will grant an extension if it looks like MP's will support the deal.

Indeed - and I think it's disappeared rather than moved.