Gary D

I know what you mean but am still not sure it will show anything other than the existence of the said coin. My rare (I've never come across another) 1935 proof penny is slabbed by NGC. What would this tell someone searching slabbed 1935 coins, beyond the fact that they do exist? It certainly wouldn't indicate rarity. I'm not trying to be awkward, just pointing out the hurdles to interpreting these figures in any meaningful way. Slabbed statistics are worse than useless. Different grades for the same coin counts as two coins if resubmitted; some slabbed coins don't exist because the variety is wrong (though there might actually be a genuine example in a different slab; many coins are removed from slabs and so may be double counted if slabbed and unslabbed populations are combined; NGC used to have several designations for the same generic piece (1797 pennies spring to mind) based on whether someone remembered to put a space in the label detail; slabs get crossed over from one TPG to another because their registry sets are only allowed to be in the host's slabs, so get double counted. All in all the statistics are highly unreliable and best ignored. All it says is that there is likely (but not guaranteed) to be a certain number of an item around. Something we already knew because the reference books included the item in the first place. Surely post decimalisation for UK coins mintage figures are no longer valid. What we should be consentrating on is survival figures, which will skew heavily in favour of rarer coins.

Thanks. I didn't think to look on the CGS website. I have both in Proof but am struggling to get currency 1+B with the center of the rose absolutely perfect.

As far as I know it doesn't apply so much to online shopping. The big problem is for online forums where instant membership gives the spammers chance to download whatever they please. Usually filling up posts with pornography or promoting medicines such as viagra, mobile phones or themselves. Hiding links in text under innocuous words is a favourite. Having a way of contacting the site to protest one's innocence is a must as far as I'm concerned. Lack of the facility is just shooting yourself in the foot. I'm in the process of removing an applicant from the site I administer who has an email address of @yahoo.co.uk despite being in the Ukraine and having been reported for spamming 24,953 times. You wouldn't have any links by any chance

I think a lot depends on the coin. A very high grade coin will stand some cleaning, anything worn just doesn't look right.

On ebay the cleaned coin would probably make double the uncleaned.

The proof I've got as near FDC, a few light scratches. And the currency I have as VF although I might be being a bit over critical.

I collect 1900 to 1967 but do have a soft spot for the 1935 crown, even to the extent of collecting both the currency and specimen with the lettering both ways up. I also have the raised edge proof and as I mentioned earlier both edge errors. I also have the 0.500 proof. Just need the 0.925 proof and gold proof to make the set, well that's just not going to happen is it, 0.925 if I'm really lucky but the gold proof I'm just not in that league. I paid £760 for the currency error about 5-6 years ago and £1000 for the proof last year, both from ebay.

I have one also and have seen another so 30 is probably close to the mark. I also have a currency edge error which I believe is rarer.

If they're that good where does the battery go

There's no year which is generally a weak strike, but there are years when dies got overused so that towards the end of their life they produced weak strikes. This happened especially from 1915 - 1919. Also, the Type 2 obverse (1920 - 1926) is much shallower cut to reduce reverse ghosting, and therefore might mistakenly be thought by the inexperienced as weak strikes. Those latter years, the portrait wears much faster, and if you put an EF example alongside a VF Type 1 obverse, you wouldn't see much difference especially in hair detail. But that's due to redesign, not weak strike. From 1926 ME onwards, there isn't any notable weak strike, though as I've said, any well-used die will produce worse results than early strikes. The General Strike was in 1926 I have always taken the position that if the lions nose is missing it's worn not weak.

It's more likely that the winner of the first auction received the coin but didn't like it and returned it. The seller then relisted it. Yup, didn't look as good in the hand as in the picture. Certainly wasn't as good as my existing piece so it went back. That's twice recently that I have been disappointed with what look to be high grade Eddie florins. They seem to look a lot sharper when photographed than in the hand.

Original poster here. As requested 1901 penny with last 1 to tooth and 1 to left of tooth (gap).

When buying from an auction blind do not distance selling rules come into play. You should be able to send them back as long as you are within the time limit.

A 1917 proof florin, that must be worth having.

Just a hypothetical question, do you have any recourse with the TPG if you purchase a coin that has been miss-attributed on the slab or are we just talking caveat emptor.

A bit of shill bidding going on here anyone?

Talking of fake florins there is a seller who seem quiet respectable who often seller Eddie VII florins and shilling has some very nice Eddie VII florins on ebay again, he usually comes around every 3-4 months. Just how many high grade Eddie VII florins are there in Hong Kong

I have a 1970 proof penny with two reverses and even under a x20 microscope I cant see any foul play. Have often wondered about getting it authenticated.

Obviously moved over to the ebay grade scale.

The database I checked doesn't have photos of the coin, just description. Not sure how or if it's possible to see a picture I'm afraid Dave, so it's not much help. http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/16244004/ I'd be a bit more worried about the price, looks a bit rich to me.

Whoever did it also used two different reverses

I think it's nearer a dozen

Not often you see a £60,000 coin on ebay, cast copy?

Slab it then triple the price, he'll be gagging for it then.

That look legit to me, the top half of the lamination is missing. What you see has been struck through the missing bit. My thoughts too, Gary! I have a 1967 penny that is splitting and the body of the coin looks identical to that inside the split.