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The one consideration you have missed is the possibility that the overdate (or letter) was not punched deep enough into the die to pass the lowest point of the previous digit. Using the same reasoning, consider the 1817 GEOE/R shilling. I refuse to believe the engraver thought 'Here'a correct legend, I'll just create an error by 'correcting' the R with an E so that some nerds 200 years from now find something to get excited about'. Clearly the E would have been put in first, but the correction wasn't sunk deep enough. Easy to do if you are looking at the lowest point in the field as a reference point rather than the bottom of a very small deep pit.

Deary me, we seem to have a difference of political opinions. Which is fine of course. But please don't insult Peckris by suggesting he is not familiar with the word "honestly". Don't need negative vibes today, or ever for that matter. I don't have any spare brain cells to have to worry about potential conflicts on the forum.

Here is one that is probably a transportation token, but because the message is less clear, one cannot be certain:

Quite a few Counter-stamps are commercial. Many copper pennies were stamped with "Lloyds" and used as tokens for their paper. The Chinese used Chop marks to confirm authenticity or claim ownership. Some were also governmental - indicating a re-valuation or the use in subsidiary or revolutionary organisations. Many early Caribbean coins are counter stamped versions of other country's money. Engraving tends to be more personal, individual and so difficult to track down. When I first started collecting again in the early 2000s I picked up a cartwheel penny at an antiques shop, which, in the terms of the vendor, had been "Vandalised as someone's written all over the back" As a result it was cheap. The wording was something like "When this you see, think of me, J Bond 1827" - it was a transportation token created by or for someone about to be shipped to the colonies! I put it on Ebay, and it sold for a tidy sum, going to Australia. Sadly I no longer have a picture. Here is a Brazilian 20 Reis counter stamped by the government to revalue as 40 Reis.

Unless his full name was Harold Trumpsson?

The problem with those H buns is that being so close to the edge, the H is much more prone to wear than the date digits. I've lost count of "wrong" 1882 pennies offered for sale as "no H " pennies!

Yes it's not great. It's pulled most of the information off the convict records site i linked above. It might be able to pull up some stuff off one of the Genealogy website's about him though 🤞

You should be able to find out more about him using Gemini Ai. I pulled this up quickly. You could probably ask further questions and get some more details from it. https://gemini.google.com/share/1a43cd2e2c35

I am not a member. I found the site by chance using "George Pettet Transported to the Colonies" as a google search. It was the top link.

Wow! Well found! If you are a member on that site, feel free to add a copy of my picture if you think it would be appreciated.

https://convictrecords.com.au/convicts/pettet/george/97932 Could be him. According to the details added later on by a lady called Diane Jones he was executed for a murder carried out in Oatlands , Australia a few years after he arrived in Australia.

Apoligies for the misunderstanding. I am not too clued up on those type of marks. They are chop marks i think. There may be a book somewhere with them in. I know there is books on the counterstamped trade tokens of the 18th century & 19th century covering the likes of the Bradford & Keighley workhouse tokens to name a few. Galata do a good one.

I wasn't aware of any previous disagreements and I certainly may have neglected my role as forum admin in the past, I accept that. Having a little fun with current affairs and public figures, including politicians, is fine and healthy banter as far as I'm concerned (e.g. blakeyboy's meme above). Let's keep politics off of here though, both of you. It always becomes a headache (from my point of view)! I'm sure you two gents can agree to disagree, you've both been here for years so you must have managed to somehow. Thank-you both for your input.

I wasn't aware that moving something like that would then default everything under it to 'unread'! If you go to the 'branch' in question, e.g Wanted, there should be an option at the top to 'Mark Forum as Read'. This is what it looks like for me but it may look different for other browser/OSes.

Ah... its the counterstamps that I would like to pursue, I have some Reales that have various Chinese counterstamps that are believed to be merchant stamps... the other 2 attached are British coins counterstamped to be used in other country's so looking to find out where?

I saw most of his Davos speech - honestly, it was just a raving ramble complaining about everyone except his own team, yet claiming ridiculous false achievements in his first year.

"The Harold II silver penny hoard only includes pennies minted by the king" You would have thought a king would have better things to do