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New Brighton.

cheshire pub name change

Should anyone else wish to read Dave's article, here it is.

I think Bramah was writing in a time when the idea of ‘privy’ marks on milled coinage was widely accepted, as the 1897 ‘dot’ penny. I would consider the mark below the ‘T’ to have some other, non deliberate, origin unless it could be definitively proven otherwise , which is unlikely now. I don’t know of contemporary Victorian forgeries that would require differentiation from genuine by a privy mark, and die studies were openly undertaken by die numbering or lettering. Jerry

Larry's "lions and lambs" ?

I checked and found this is the case on both the large and small date types of 1859. Slightly further on, he continues:- Interesting Mike. I knew that I had seen that quite often but not explored further. I have just checked all my No WW's and found this 'secret' mark on all of them, including 1858's as well as 1589 and 1860. Picture below for reference. Bramah also talks about other secret mint marks, is anyone aware of what they might be on the YH Copper Penny? I guess with banknotes that was done as a fraud prevention measure prior to such things as microprinting becoming available. P.S. I still have my spare decent copy of Bramah.......not a sales pitch!!