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Here's a decent one.

this is the problem i had with ingram coins, with the 53 halfcrown, tight git stripped me up for £190 quid in the end, had no choice short of going down to southampton to get money back there was nothing i could do, although he did call the police when i said i was gonna come down and get it back, lol, sent him proof etc about what he had sold me, but wasnt interested, very pushy dealer, not a member of the btna either if that means anything, trusted him as a dealer to price his coins according tot here rarity etc, dont think he has much knowledge in this area, i didn't but i do now, knowledge is power lol

Absolutely, save your money. But look for the nicer cameo specimens WITHOUT the ubiquitous hairlines in any case. I'm glad I figured that out before I popped for the "VIP" some years ago & didn't have to learn the hard lesson.

Thank you. If you ,Steve hill and the TPGs cant tell the difference in the 1937 Crown (VIP) i am glad i dont want to buy one

As it turns out, I have learned a few things over the years. This 1937 date, as well as the 1951 and 1953 Crowns come in "regular", "cameo", "deep cameo", and ??VIP Proof. I think that some received special treatment - aka VIP - at the mint, but at least as far as I can tell (and Steve Hill might back me up on this) there is no essential difference that someone could divide VIP and deep cameo (or even some plain old cameo). I am not at all sure that the TPGs are able to distinguish, and in the case of the Wreath Crowns IMO are not able to figure out what is proof and what is not. Even though I believe that I can generally tell, I will say there are some quite borderline cases that are tough calls. My suggestion: Don't get your panties in a bunch & lump the DCs in with the VIPs, provided you can agree they are DCs. THe coin in the OP should be about 500 USD and not more - about a year ago I bought a PCGS 65DC as well as the English REv shilling of that date for that in total. I also have a graded 64DC that is IMO superior to the graded 65DC, so please judge the coin in hand as best you can...

Yes thats what confuses me Jaggy as not got a clue about them

I don't know. I don't know the difference between 'normal' and 'VIP'. However, If I were having a VIP Crown slabbed, I would want that in the description because it would seriously enhance the value.

Thanks for checking too, Stu! I sure do appreciate all the sound advice and encouragement here on the forum

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I'm off the fence and concur with Rob...3g, and a fabulous Durham example at that! Got to question our superiors in the best interest of academic rigor I say!