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Bawbees are notorious for having circulated deep into the 18th century by which time they were barely identifiable - so this rather decent 1679 example is an exception to the beater bawbee rule.

Another well loved bawbee but from King Charles II and dated 1678. And another beater bawbee, this from 1677.

Obviously this bawbee from King William III from 1697 circulated as a halfpenny deep into the 18th century given it's wear pattern

Hi, I sold my hardcopy and would appreciate a digital copy for reference. Message me for my email. Thanks, Gary

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OK - in the Phaidon series by Elizabeth Hallam as editor I find I also have "Chronicles of the Wars of the Roses" which covers Richard II in 1377 to Richard III in 1485. By Publisher Heinemann and collated by Anne Savage there is a great translation of "the Anglo Saxon Chronicles", which covers from the end of the Roman occupation to Henry II. I find this particularly useful as many TV documentaries quote the Anglo Saxon Chronicles in snippets, so it is good to be able to see them in full translation. (The chronicles were written by a series of monks over hundreds of years in old English, and were usually recorded withing only a few years of the actual events, so reasonably contemporaneous.)

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Thanks everyone, I this is all now clear so I’m starting separate Vic Copper spreadsheets! Great forum. I’ll be back with more questions…

Oh LOL! Real forgery or Photoshop?

No its a penny with an Altered date.

thanks - although I meant the one in the photo PWA 1967 posted above…

Yes please - PM me.

Looking at the size of the legend characters I would say it's a farthing (though not so easy to tell from an angled picture) . A halfpenny is just a bit smaller than the later florin, the farthing is roughly the size of a 6d.

Definitely a halfpenny. The easy way to tell is to look at the size of the legend characters in relation to Victoria's bust - on the halfpenny they're proportionately much bigger than on the penny.

I see everyone laughing! But to be totally clear, please bear with me and help correct my Cu-era Vic coinage ignorance LOL - I presume that’s a ’38 halfpenny?

Indeed, thanks - see reply below explaining how I made the mistake 😞

Yes, I realise this now, thanks! Problem was two fold: 1. it’s not my usual era; 2. I was working from a photograph with no size reference of 10 coins I offered to check for someone. AND… I now need make some new Vic pre-1860 copper spreadsheets and check the coins from that era I that do have!

Not the best example but an unusual pairing. Withers 411 Bradford Workhouse counterstamp on a Samuel Fereday Bilston token.

Thank you very much @Paddy and @HistoricCoinage ! If anyone wants to add anything please, do keep 'em coming!

It's a farthing. You are probably being misled by the size which is only a bit bigger than decimal pennies today. Victorian copper pennies were huge!

If anyone is still after this let me know i have a digital copy you can have. Stu.

Yes, the legend spacing is quite different between pennies and halfpennies. See my websites below for pictures.

Yes your spot on Paddy, although what about this one 😂

Something is wrong here I think. There shouldn't be any 1838 pennies? Are you perhaps looking at a halfpenny instead? Both farthings and halfpennies for 1838 exist. (The changeover from Copper to Bronze means the copper halfpenny is larger than the corresponding bronze halfpenny, so an easy mistake to make.) Check the dimensions and weight of your coin.