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It was the basis of the updates, subject to his future decisions. He later removed the milled penny (that I recently sold) from the catalog after receiving an assessment from the Royal Mint that it was a post mint alteration. Just as his 1970 edition was an extension of his several updated versions of his penny studies expanded to include half pennies, farthings, patterns, trials, etc. There are ALWAYS corrections, updates, modifications, etc to a work of this magnitude. There have been many new discoveries to add to Peck, Braman, Freeman, etc. No guide/catalog is a final authority, it merely contains information known at the time. They grow, mature, learn, make adjustments and corrections, expand as a living being.

I didnt know there was now a few of the mule and thought there was only the one, sold by Hiram Brown. I would buy one today for much more than it sold for at Noonans and will have to start looking now 👍

Some were although some not and the two page ammendment sheet put inside the 1970 book at a later date. The 1909 F169 is another and says should be R15 although was in the later books as R9. Nothing amazing and was just posted for anyone who may be interested.

Not quite all, though... Eg. the mule 1860 halfpenny listed above as 260A does not appear in the 1986 or subsequent editions, instead there the one given 260A is the missing knot 1*+A, but non-mule, and 260B its proof. Wonder why he never mentioned again such a mule piece? I believe a few are now known?

These, if I am correct, are you amongst the updates included in the second (1986) edition.

It was inside a copy of the 1970 First edition i bought a few months ago and hadnt seen one before.

Where does this come from, Pete ?

Dont know if this is any interest to anyone. Although i have posted in pennies, it also covers other bronze. These were amendments freeman made after his first bronze book, showing some that he had estimated to be less rare than he originally thought or at the time of print didnt know existed, such as the 1860 Halfpenny mule, 1870 Dot penny etc.

I suspect so, and while close I don’t think it’s an actual die match with H’s. Potentially a very rare coin, especially as the one illustrated is the best Dave Greenhalgh could find! Jerry

Thanks, Jerry…agreed, and this is probably what he has to be honest. I’m guessing these would be local dies?

Hi Stu, here is the pic. Very similar crown. Jerry

I don’t suppose you have an image of that coin to hand, do you? I don’t have a copy of that book, just the Galata pennies of Edward I & II

That very distinctive ‘stalked’ central fleur looks pretty much identical to the illustration of the ‘Edward III Pre Treaty Series E York Episcopal’ Penny on page 70 of ‘The Galata Guide to Mediaeval Pennies Part 1’ though I cannot see a quatrefoil after ‘ANGLIE’ on H’s specimen. It is an interesting coin, and I think Dave Greenhalgh is the man to give an opinion here, if anyone is a contact. Jerry

OK, so the best I can do with this is say there were Edward III pennies from the Treaty/Post Treaty period bearing the obverse legend you have on your coin. However, given that the lettering, bust, etc. is so crude in its execution, I feel it can only leave you with something continental or perhaps a contemporary counterfeit…UNLESS, of course, it’s something that’s been struck from local York dies? Looking for Edward III pennies that were struck from local dies, is one I’ll leave to you. I did however, in a brief search, find a Richard II penny struck from Local York dies*, and I feel there are some similarities, so not all is lost. It might also be worth taking a really close look, under magnification, at the first 3 letters of the kings name, too. *taken from a dealer’s website, who just happens to be a member on here Historic Coinage

Yes - 1920 was the last year they only used the deep cut obverse portrait, which 'sucked' metal away from Britannia, and caused a 'ghost' of the portrait outline which you can see clearly in the top example; it's more common to see between 1911 and 1920 than fully struck up reverses. In 1921 about half the pennies use a shallower portrait which partly alleviated the problem, but it wasn't until the Modified Effigy from 1926 that they reduced the effect to small enough not to worry about.

Unfortunately, no. Nothing of interest there.

Reads ANGLIE on the obverse. Lettering of the C & S in civitas, and the B in ‘Eboraci,’ plus the A in ‘Edward,’ and reverse-barred N in Anglie, just don’t do it for me!

1868

What year is it, 187?. I imagine it's been plated by someone, possibly the same person that put a hole in it. The pics aren't that clear though. There were cu-ni proofs for some 1860/70s dates, so that's a possibility and perhaps the hole was made by someone who thought it was odd and wanted to see if it was like that all the way through. Need better pics and accurate weight to provide further clues.

Bronze is not a metal?

Ah.. as yet no scales... the size is that of a penny... the coin was identified by a authority of Hammered coins that I approached, i don't have any others to compare with..... so I'm happy with its identification, unless any other suggestions come along 👍

To be honest I can’t reconcile that portrait, hair, or crown at all? I don’t suppose it would do any good to ask for a weight? The obverse looks really halfpennyesque, but I don’t think there were quatrefoil reverses on the halfpennies were there?

Found this in a box of coins, looks metal not bronze?? Could it be an error coin and rare for this coin… guidance appreciated, collector newbie’ish…

wow, the penny has been Identified to be .......😲👍 Edward III, York. Quatrefoil in centre of reverse, CIVI TAS EBO RACI