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No problem.It was only afterwards when i was looking at it thinking how's it been made it dawned on me that it looks like it was soldered on. It looks like the right arm on the figure has fallen off and possibly the E on that side as well or not enough solder was used and it just smudged the E. That would explain why it's unique as it's literally been handmade by someone. I doubt you could make another even similar without adding or losing bits. It's something to be on the look out for in the future. I have seen similar work on fake stycas. Usually though with them they go back to bare metal when you plunge them in acetone as the patina is painted on them. Stu.

You were 100% correct Stu and thanks unwillingly numismatist for putting me on to Liz who verified it was a fantasy piece unfortunately 😕 Thanks guys this is much appreciated because it's irked me for some time. Glad it was in a joblot of coins auction and as it hardly cost anything.

Ahhhhhh...! so the H mint coin had the potential to be of interest albeit for the fact 1882 was mass produced by Heatons.....bummer!! 1862 circulated so no interest 1773 & 1775 are possibly contemporary forgery produced in the US ..... now that got to be of interest ?!?!?! Did I mention "I don't feel any thing for the Pennies!?!" all the very best "H"

Is it just me or does the design & lettering look like it was applied using a soldering iron ? Strange blobs where the metal has been applied then smeared / spread out ? Stu.

Liz is the one i meant when i said chris rudd. She's running his website & sales. She will do free evaluations for people. Get in touch with her and let us know her verdict. Sorry to sound sceptical but i often see fake coins with unusual pairings for sale on ebay. It's a common theme done on purpose so you cannot compare the coin to an original to pick out the differences. I see it quite often with fake styca & sceatta. Anyway good luck and keep us posted.

Hi Stu The weight of it is 1.9 grams and is about 15mm wide bud

1882 were nearly all minted by Heatons and therefore carry the H - a few were minted in London (just to test the new electronic presses?) and are very rare. I'm baffled by the George III coins though - pennies weren't minted until 1797, "cartwheel" type. There's no 1773 or 1775 pennies, but there were halfpennies which are noticeably smaller than bun pennies unlike your 1773. The 1775 looks very wrong and is probably an 'evasion' type, i.e. a contemporary forgery produced in the US. The 1773 "penny" looks more like a genuine halfpenny should apart from the size , but is also probably wrong - REX is wider spaced than on a genuine example.

Aha, A few more raise their heads, Interestingly one has the "H" Heaton Mint Mark...I understand that this may be the most interesting of the group? open and honest I don't feel any thing for the Pennies, looking just to keep the important ones for the family. any advise or guidance most welcome.

or liz@celticcoins.com - She'll be a good resource on it too. EDIT: I'm going to sit on the fence with the caveat: I think it should be properly appraised by a professional. If the internet cannot provide a similar example, it's either a contemporary forgery or real. It looks struck, not cast and that would entail quite a lot of work in order to produce a fake which would not have any intrinsic or implied value without any solid provenance. It is not impossible for it to be a new discovery. Good luck.

I think we should all be able to make our own and spend them in the shops with our names on, as with tokens in the past few hundred years. Personally I think the average person on the street has more credibility for financial responsibility than any politicians, who are trying to steer a sinking ship to a relatively safe grounding point. The average person has a moral compass and believes in paying his dues. One day the world will wake up to the fact that we are all living beyond our means, being unwilling to reconcile the cost of luxury with the actual cost. I include luxuries in the areas of general public services that are provided whether you use them or not. For a sustainable existence you have to make it just as easy to produce offspring as it is to get rid of the old. Nature, left to it own devices will always find a balance between supply and demand, but that is essentially based on the food supply. We don't have the luxury of natural balance, being obsessed with the concept of eternal life and have worked continuously since our brains developed to further our success. If we run short of food, we make a conscious decision to bugger someone/something else in life. We shouldn't have that right, or at least provide a quid pro quo to our ability to determine every possible outcome.

Even if one-pees are ever removed from circulation, the RM won't miss an opportunity to milk them for as long as possible, minting BU as normal and as many other 1p novelty types as they can possibly sell - probably long after actual money itself becomes just a novelty... merely old fashioned gift vouchers/tokens to hand to people on special occasions and for use by people who refuse to let go. I'm a fan of actual cash, I think over here in Germany cash is probably more widely used than in the UK. In the end people will always go with what is most convenient, they don't really care . Apart from criminals, they'll all have to switch to crypto! I don't remember shillings either. Or technically I suppose I do, because they were still in use in the 80s as 5p. I bet retaining the shilling name (and multiples thereof) would have worked perfectly fine if they were dual 5p/shillings from the start. In fact even in the 70s when the 1p/2p still had useful spending power, they probably would have known they would eventually be phased out just like the half-pee was. In fact, the 1p removal from circ (but not existence) is probably long overdue. How about re-valuing a new £1 at £10 old-decimal fv, made up of 20 new-shillings (equiv of 50p each) and a new new penny at 100th of a new £1, i.e. 10p in old-decimal. Yeah, that would work and wouldn't be confusing at all 😑

I can't answer those questions. My gut feeling is its not genuine. It just looks really crude to me. How big is it ? I've weighed my cranborne chase silver stater which is a fairly large coin for a celtic coin and its 5.12 grams. My smaller Iceni unit weighs 1.15 grams. To give you some perspective of size I've put the Iceni unit next to a 2023 5p. Best advice i can give you is measure it , weigh it and take some high quality images of it and send them to Chris Rudd. His contact address should be somewhere on his website. Google will get you there.

I think the penny has already lost much its dignity when the RM started making them with copper plated steel. Even then, it costs more than it's face value to produce. I agree the penny coin is hugely symbolic but perhaps it is better to retire it soon rather letting it drag on.

Thanks bud. Thing is, even if it was a fantasy piece, why isn't there another one the same like? I went over it today with the metal detector and it came up silver signal.

Thanks bud, my knowledge of them has been searching for this type for 2 years with absolutely no joy.

It's just that the "penny" goes back such a long way - from the denarius (the d of £sd), through the stater, and through medieval times to the present day. It's still the basic curreny unit below 'pound', but the 1p piece is a poor descendant.

I personally think it is fake. Each side is from a different coin which should be gold. I can't find anything like it in Spink or Van Ardsell. I think it's a fantasy piece. One side appears to be similar to the one linked above by Peckris and one side is trying to be this but doing a bad job in my opinion. https://en.numista.com/459267

I am OK without a circulating coin called a penny. But it would be nice if they continue to be included in year sets and also minted in silver for collectors. It will also be retained as a denomination even if physical circulating coins are no longer minted.

I believe their local council is to rename Wells-next-the-Sea as Wells-in-the-Sea?

I agree about getting rid of the coppers, they're completely useless now. However... I'd still like to see one of our coins being called a "penny"! Not the 5p of course, as kids would get quite confused that "5 pence = 1 penny". Perhaps we could have a new denomination called a 'penny' - any ideas?

Here is a gold coin with a similar obverse: https://www.baldwin.co.uk/product/atrebates-regini-eppillus-gold-quarter-stater/ I'm afraid my knowledge of these is almost zero.

Hi guys I have this Celtic looking coin which weighs 1.2 grams. I know absolutely nothing about them but I was told few years back it was a fake. It was purchased in a joblot of metal detecting finds, over 100 different coins that were all legitimate,this one was on the fringes of his photos and blurry, so he wasn't touting it for the auction. Just double checking, because if it is fake, someone has went to a lot of trouble surely to make just this one, as I cannot find another identical example online?? Thank you ☺️

When I visited Wales many years ago, I came across an area where cafes and small shops gave prices in today's money and also the prices in ca 1900. If you want to, you can change your modern money into counterstamped Victorian / Edwardian pennies and use these in the cafes. This allows visitors to spend old money.

Manchester and Birmingham house prices will soon be the hot ticket, as the peripheries of the UK slowly slide into the sea!

Yes i saw the canal one. Bad the way that barge went down like the Titanic. You been watching the ROC post in Tunstall on the East Yorkshire coast as it slowly eroded out the cliff's and fell on to the beach ?