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I really need to buy a copy of this. Do you remember the postage to the US so I can budget it in?

Many thanks TG I’ll message him. ☺️ I’ve been trying to glean a bit more information from the SCBI 39 about the closure date of the Newcastle mint, and of the date signatures of class 10, to see if I can work out how long the Newcastle mint operated into that class. The date of the mint closure appears to be September 1302 but, depending on who you listen to, the commencement of Class 10 is either September that same year (Fox brothers), or nearly 18 months earlier if you go with North? The Fox brothers’ date would suggest a minuscule mintage of class 10 coins under Newcastle, whereas North’s dates would allow a production window of 18 months. Given the number of Newcastle Class 10 coins available, it makes me wonder who’s got the commencement of the class right? I’d love to acquire every mint in every class someday! I’m currently this far down the rabbit hole, so fingers crossed: Class VI Bury St Edmunds (#1) Class VI Bury St Edmunds (#2) 1c London 1d London 1d London (1 x reversed N on reverse) 2a London 2b Canterbury 3b London 3c Canterbury 3e Newcastle 3e York 3g London 3g Lincoln 3g Durham 3g Bristol (1) 3g Bristol (2) 4c Canterbury eBay 4c London 4d London 6a1 London 7a London 8a London 8c London 9b1 Durham 9b1 Exeter 9b1 London 9b1 Newcastle 9b2 York (Royal) 10ab London 10ab Newcastle 10cf1 London 10cf2 Durham 10cf2a London 10cf3 London 10cf5 London 12a Canterbury 12a Canterbury 12a Canterbury 12a London 14 Canterbury 14 Bury St Edmunds 15c Bury St Edmunds eBay

I think even a couple of the brass threepences came out very washed out, almost greyscale like, but everything was colour and the content is the same for this new colour p/b version.

Maybe it was just me, but many of the images did seem almost identical. I didn't complain, but then you made the remark about a lack of responses, so I just theorised about why that might be? Good luck anyway

I think that must be it.

I have no idea, but it occurs to me that perhaps this is the sort of information that Martin Allen at the EMC might have to hand? Mra25@cam.ac.uk

Definitely odd! As a "one-off" it is only ever going to have curiosity value. I wonder if it could be a blank from another country with reeded edges that has got jammed into the UK 1p dies? How do its dimensions and weight compare with a regular 1p?

Assuming the dimensions are correct for diameter and thickness, it looks like a machine shop job, with part of the rim turned down and the milling added. A curiosity, but no value. From the image, it looks slightly larger diameter, in which case the outer ring has been added, which ought to be a little heavier than usual. If you have accurate scales, compare its weight to another normal penny.

I said if i found out any more information I would post it up on the thread. I have found a little more out about the guy whose name , rank etc is edge engraved on the cartwheel penny. He was apparently born around 1784 in Inveravon, Banff, Scotland and died at the ripe old age of 93 from the Flu on November 22nd 1877 in Conval Street , Dufftown. Not a bad innings for a seasoned veteran. Stu.

The class 3 and 9 coins available in much better grades generally.

Does anyone have any insight into the relative scarcity of the three Newcastle classes, measured against themselves? Over the last 3 or 4 years I’ve managed to pick up a class 3 and a class 9 in good grades, but have struggled to find the class 10 in a similarly collectable grade, with the attached coin, bearing the full Edward legend, the best I’ve found to-date.

Quick update, and thanks to @Sword, @Paddy, @Rob and @wlewisiii for the advice back in January. I went with Paddy's option 4 crossed with option 1: the better pieces listed singly, the rest in three job lots, and the storage kit sold separately as Sword suggested. Then some are going to the coin machine in the bank. It indeed took some time! Everything is live now if anyone here is interested. Mods, if a list like this does not belong in the Beginners area, please let me know Auctions: Job lot, 59 x 50p, Olympic and Paralympic, Beatrix Potter, Paddington, Hastings https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/128074570140 Job lot, 31 x £2, Brunel, Darwin, Great Fire, Dickens https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/128074564565 Job lot, 42 x round £1, capital cities, bridges, floral, Gibraltar https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/128074568516 2011 Football 50p, offside rule https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/128074572209 2002 Commonwealth Games England £2 https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/128074571551 SAFE 760 album with 7 pages, SAFE 748 wooden box, 51 Hartberger 2x2 holders https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/128076004657 Buy It Now: 2011 Tennis 50p https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/128074576632 2011 Mary Rose £2 https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/128074578742 2011 King James Bible £2 https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/128074582376 2008 London Olympic centenary £2 https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/128074584978 2008 Beijing to London handover £2 https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/128074586211 2010 London capital cities £1 https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/128074587492 2011 Cardiff capital cities £1 https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/128074552958 1988 Royal Shield £1 https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/128074588449 2003 Royal Arms £1 https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/128074592519 1997 Isle of Man cricket £1 https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/128074589172 2000 Isle of Man millennium bells £1 https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/128074572844 1987 Falkland Islands £1 https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/128075488415 Isle of Man and Guernsey small change lot https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/128075488415

Just one last point, last night my response to Peter was in response to Peter saying he thinks Im basicially wasting my time looking for coins nobody is interested in, and its only fair I repsond with the facts and my opinion. That clearly put coinery over the edge but its me who is instigating, baiting etc Had Peter of not shared his view on my research and collecting style, I would not feel obliged to share mine in light of this discovery. In respect to your comment about being unhappy with the flood of images, where as Michael was thankful, I would not feel obliged to respond if that statement wasn't made previously. Can we not keep things amicable and coin centric?

I'm sorry that it felt overwhelming. I mean that sincerely aswell. Can you appreciate I just got carried away with the excitment of the discovery, and maybe should of kept it a bit more precise. Worth noting this whole process, the dos and donts, what order of process, who to speak to, what I can and cant say, its all completely new to me. The analysis and the asociated research is a steep learning curve without any help or silence on the matter.. Its hard enough as it is discovering an unrecorded variety, then add in everything else! Rather than risk leaving out a piece of information that maybe valuable or important, I tried my best to include as much info as possible. Can you see my logic? I actually sent Michael 11 images, and he thanked me for the "excellent images" in his own words. Coinery last night was chucking around all kinds of insults and assumptions. Im just here to learn about coins, share my findings, and learn from all of you as much as I can. Il take this opourtunity to formaly apologize to anyone I have offended along the journey so far. That includes coinery aswell.. To mention my social skills, he insulted me and yet Im the one apologising. Thats not juvenille. I would like the focus of this thread to be about the question in hand, the discovery! A post-1864 unrecorded error letter variety is a significant discovery.. Rather than celebrating I feel like I have done something wrong.

The 2009 should be colour throughout but some of the silver coins can certainly appear like greyscale. Give me a few sample page numbers and I'll compare.

My 2009 first edition has some colour pictures it's true, but the majority are black and white. Is this new edition all in colour, or is it the same as the 2009?

I found maybe 3 or 4 as a schoolboy in the late 60s, and only because few people knew about it (an issue of Coin Monthly in 1968 first drew my attention to it). Sadly my examples are in average circulated condition - high grade examples seem few and far between.

I was referring specifically to this thread, not your others.

Get a room, you two...

Just highlighting the edited info., latter additions to the above post, the type of information an academic should be drawing attention to himself, lest he be lacking in rigor!

- Absolutely ridiculous…to say I’ve approached/emailed Michael would not, in the least, be a breach of privacy, it would represent a very normal conversation held on a numismatic forum like this. “You are resorting to personal insults simply because a newcomer's analysis turned out to be correct.” - Absolutely ridiculous…I was the first person to say I believed you had an interesting coin with a likely new variety imho! “since you bring nothing but toxicity to the thread, you are now on my ignore list.” - Absolutely ridiculous…you were already earmarked to be on mine first! 🙏

Respecting the privacy of a personal email exchange with Michael Gouby is basic etiquette, not manipulation. Out of courtesy, I would never publish a specialist's private confirmation of an unrecorded variety without asking their permission first. Furthermore, Michael invited me to contact Richard, which I did this morning via email, hence me saying I have sent an email.... You are resorting to personal insults simply because a newcomer's analysis turned out to be correct. The 'gatekeeping clique' mentality is no match for objective facts. A genuine variety discovery should be a positive for the hobby, not a source of hostility. I invited objective discussion, not a debate on personalities. Since your input brings nothing but toxicity to the thread, you are now on my ignore list

I think you’ll find the 🤷‍♂️ was about a frustration that you baited the forum for weeks, only to share a point of interest with a private message! As I say, a manipulator, a game-player…well below me, m’friend! Big blessings, I hope you find your happy place in numismatics, and hopefully not here 🙏

🤷‍♂️ Splendid display of those 'social skills' you mentioned

I’ve been on this forum for many years, dodging many people like you, thereby avoiding losing my privileges on here! But, I have to say, you are 100% the kind of game-playing arsehole that a forum of even-tempered, socially-skilled, intellectuals could well do without! I hope you tire of this site soon, and migrate asap to these other sources that acknowledge and endorse your approaches so much more congenially.