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wow....so its wrong font...Awesome to know this.. it looked odd so now all explained. many thanks for this👍

The reverse lis and lions sit distinctively high in their respective quarters…I did find this, which belongs to an anchor obverse. I guess we’ll have to wait and see!

A well known variety. See screenshot from Michael Gouby's website below. Typically a master die in the Victorian period had just the 18.. pre-entered on it, and from that working dies were made that then had the last 2 digits hand entered. (This is behind all the date width varieties for example on Victorian bun pennies). For 1857 shillings, one working die had the last two digits entered with numeral punches from the wrong font thus causing the example above.

Today more sorting out and I found a shilling its dated 1857, on magnifying it highlighted that the numbers were different sizes the 7 has a few blobs deformation to it as well ... possibly done at the mint with numbers changed as worn out?

There has been a few halfs on ebay recently that are not listed as Rhuddlan. Sellers are just listing them as Short cross coins with incorrect class details because they are unaware of the mint. Keep an eye out. They seem to be listed as buy it now though so you've got to check regularly or they get snapped up by ppl in the know. Stu.

Good eye Jerry. That didn't even register with me when i looked at it lol. I was reading the D as an E like a divvy. Stu.

Good spot, and an absolute bargain penny. The half is probably Rhuddlan too, the reverse reads OND.ON for SIMOND.ON.RVLA. Found a nice cut half of SIMOND detecting years ago. Jerry

Hopefully not lol. I'll keep my fingers crossed for you 🤞

I managed on Sunday to get a whole example of a half I've had for year's. Sweating now waiting for it to arrive 😆

I’ll give you this much, you’re quite the detective. Your knowledge of these little details is very impressive. I do get the thrill, though, especially on those occasions where you’re seeking out (or waiting for) a complete example to finish the puzzle. Great stuff!

Thanks, Stu, fingers crossed! It would end up being a freebie if it comes good…would end up being a previously unknown pairing, too, with the no-mark reverse! Though this is what makes me feel it probably isn’t. knowing my luck with trying to get hold of one of these, it will more likely end up being the crud from an old plug 😆

Spotted this on Ebay. It was in the sold listings. Its got the 1 3 5 crown and reversed N we see on Rhuddlan coins but i cannot match the reverse. It's probably a mistrike of some sort but interesting enough to keep a note of.

Looks promising Stu. Goodluck !

Can’t be a rose, it’s the wrong bust…

Is it or isn’t it? An online bid today in a bulk lot of 6 coins! Was a cheap enough buy to chance finding out. The only spanner in the works is what appears to be a no-mark reverse.

Thanks for the clarification.

I particularly like the 1860/59 tie ribbons (plural)............always present in same place + further clashing under Victoria's chin.

As a fun film "The madness of king george" is not bad , puts a lighter and more human side to Georges you even feel sorry for the king at times.

Most due to the size were probably lost not long after they were cut especially the quarter cut ones. They have become more common on the collector's market in the past 20 year's due to better metal detectors. I tend to pick them up in lots. I only bid on individual cut coins when i can ID them as being different or from rarer mints. Class 5a coins have a reversed S so if i see them or a 4c with a reversed S i will buy them if they are not whole and the S is visible. I have a half cut of Chichester mint which is not an easy mint to get a whole coin for plus a few Rhuddlan halfs. This is one that i was able to die match using Mass / Slevin to Ravl at London mint. What makes it different is the Square E which is not usually seen on class 1b1 coins. It's little things like that which i tend to look out for when collecting cut coins. Stu.

Probably like that because they are maundy and therefore rarely used for payment, even though legal tender at the time. If that 1840 was a regular groat, you would feel far more comfortable with it.

looking at the Half penny's that I have , like yours the details are still very vivid also being silver you'd think that they'd been cashed in melted down and re used ... Ive found 5 Halves that I have ...as yet no quarters, Hopefully others will join in, it will be of interest.... 👍

Have a look at Gouby's (brilliant) website if you want to learn more about all the various types of coin varieties, and specifically at this page for this die-clash ribbon issue: https://michael-coins.co.uk/cp1848 ribbon.htm I also insert a screenshot of some of the subtly different clashes that have typically been observed by Gouby based on the impact pressure and transfer of detail for separate clashes.

Wales always was a bit behind the times ...........

You might be better off at the ironbridge gorge outdoor museum