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Currency. Too many things wrong for a proof. Using Peck's arguments for proof examples, the 1 should be clear of the sea, no flaws and should have a grained edge (which both currency and proofs have). The rims aren't good enough either. Peck also states the currency as having a grained edge in a deep groove, whilst saying the proof is merely grained. Normally this means light oblique graining in the centre of the edge, not in a groove. However, if it wasn't in a groove, there would be no reason to mention the other criteria as this alone would suffice. Muddy waters here. Prooflike examples are frequently encountered, but that is normally an early strike using fresh dies. Not surprising if you think about it, as a resetting of the press will probably require the force to be adjusted to reflect the new positions of the dies, which despite being nearly there, are inevitably going to be a few microns out as a minimum. Think physical length and diameter together with the depth of the relief.

that would go back into the melting pot as a badly struck coin if the mint were doing their job right

It might make it easy if you have a copy of peck does look like a raised dot on georges shoulder if that helps

If your max bit is submitted one second before the end then anyone manually bidding against you won’t have a chance to react. And with sniping no one knows you’re bidding until T-1.

Perhaps I'm being dense but I don't see much difference. I either win it or not and if not it's because it went for more than I wanted to pay - which was my prior placed max bid. Your snipe bid is also your maximum, which may also win, or not if it's not as much as the bid I place a week before. Either way both are maximum bids, just placed at different times. Before auto sniping existed I often sat watching the countdown with my finger hovering over the mouse to click and enter a last second bid. Others may still bid it up as the auction progresses or those sniping may still beat yours.

The problem with that is that someone else may keep bidding it up. With a sniper your bid is not submitted until the final 6 seconds or even 1-3 seconds with a subscription, which doesn't give then a chance to respond.

I'll probably offer this Gouby 'X' next. Not the finest example but I assume there might be some interest?

When I was buying I used to bid the maximum amount I was willing to pay. Same result, some won (often at a lower price than my max) and some not. I recall auto sniping was quite new back then.

It's actually been there from the start Peter, a mention in the description and a screenshot of the LAC info.

I just put my maximum bid into an auction sniper (I use Gixen) and then just ignore it until the end so I don't get drawn into a bidding war. I've won some bargains, but lost some I'd probably have bid up but possibly overpaid for.

Good evening, I'm new here and I would show this penny to receive your opinion. It shares the features of a currency coin, but the colour, the relief and the die flaws makes me think of a proof or prooflike coin. It has the ship with 5 gunports. And, also: what happened to the rim of the reverse? Thank you in advance🙂

14 people watching ! Good luck

Chris I would edit the listing on ebay if you can and state (This actual coin sold for 280 at London coins)

awwwwwww?????? you cant just leave it now, been thinking this over for awhile... need to know what is all about. 🤔

OK - so I have copied it across: "I am not sure there are any experts specifically on Victorian penny forgeries, but there are lots of Penny experts here, who can spot a forgery a mile off! Are you looking at contemporary forgeries (I am not aware there are many of those), or the ubiquitous modern fakes? I think a new thread would be best."

None of what you just said makes sense now as I split the post you responded to into a new topic, here: Now I understand how that feature works!

I split this to a new topic (sorry Paddy, thought it would take your reply with it).

I am not sure there are any experts specifically on Victorian penny forgeries, but there are lots of Penny experts here, who can spot a forgery a mile off! Are you looking at contemporary forgeries (I am not aware there are many of those), or the ubiquitous modern fakes? I think a new thread would be best.

I missed it when listed as a BIN which was a pity, Good luck 😀👍.

can I just ask if there are any experts on Victorian penny forgeries or do I have to start a new thread?