Can anyone shed any light on these?

[Colin G.]

A customer has sent through these images of some medallions? He is interested as to their authenticity and whether anyone can shed any light on them.

Any help appreciated

Edited December 11, 2014 by Colin G.

[copper123]

Looks like they might date from 1815 or so waterloo and all that (just a guess)

[Rob]

Not a clue what they are apart from the obvious inscriptions.

It would help to know the metal, size and weights. My initial reaction was they might be struck on old coins given the possible trace of legend (3 dots) at 10pm on the last image. If so and also contemporary, these would more likely be foreign given the scarcity of silver in Britain at the time.

It is possible to eliminate English silver as the edge graining is leaning slightly to the left whereas on shillings for example it is either upright in the case of early Chas.2 or diagonal leaning forward in the case of subsequent issues up the the 1816 recoinage.

[Colin G.]

The sawdust on the box was pointed out and also gave me some concern about authenticity. But there was a raft of such material at this time, so they could well be genuine. I wondered whether anyone had just seen them as a set before, or had come across them in any reference literature. My literature on such material is almost non-existent. They were pointed out as being "shilling" size, but I have asked the contact for any more information they could provide. The planchet style/size look similar to some of the spade guinea/hanover tokens

[Peter]

They appear very crude and nothing like the Wellington tokens.

Obviously manufactured after Trafalger ......England expects etc.

[azda]

BRG might be your man, he collects this sort of stuff

[Rob]

BRG might be your man, he collects this sort of stuff

I would suggest bagerap might be a better bet. BRG does regular tokens whereas these are definitely medallions.

They could be restruck from tokens as these could be considered throw away items if outside the period when they circulated locally. The surfaces look a bit tin-like, which would exclude most genuine coinage flans.

[pies]

Only found this

http://www.napoleonicmedals.org/coins/bhm-454-2.htm

Baldwins sold some 3045

http://www.baldwin.co.uk/media/cms/auction-archive/auction-56/Naval%20&%20Maritime%20Medals.pdf

Edited December 11, 2014 by pies

[bagerap]

A white metal/silver set sold in the last week or so. Went to Australia I believe, I'll try to dig out the details.

Pies, when was that Baldwins? I've recently bought an example of lot 3046, and I'd like to check the hammer price.

[bagerap]

Found it:

http://www.coincommunity.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=190418

[pies]

A white metal/silver set sold in the last week or so. Went to Australia I believe, I'll try to dig out the details.

Pies, when was that Baldwins? I've recently bought an example of lot 3046, and I'd like to check the hammer price.

Auction 56. 7 May 2008

http://www.baldwin.co.uk/auction-56/

[bagerap]

Thank you.

[Colin G.]

Thanks for the input guys, it looks like the same contact from your thread on coin community that has approached me.

[bagerap]

I'm not sure that they're right.

If they were struck from the original dies as a second line product, they'd have been a pretty close match. I think that there's maybe a few variables I wouldn't expect to see.

If made as a contemporary copy, you would expect differences in type face and positioning. These look too close for that and I'm wondering if they're maybe a modern copy?

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[Coinery]

Someone knows their stuff! Are they particularly valuable, then?

[Colin G.]

A higher res image of one of them that I have had sent through

[bagerap]

OK, this makes everything clear, all the denticles match up to all the right places. These are the real aftermarket medallions, made from pewter. And in common with the silver, gilt bronze and brass versions are listed as rare, which in this case means a reasonable population. A cased set of four is very rare however. These should fetch in the order of £55-75 as singles and whatever the market will bear as a set of three.

The box however I do not trust.

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[Colin G.]

Thanks for the information, appreciate the assistance