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[PWA 1967]

And a big hat off to Chingford who i think  found it and researched it originally.

He will not mention any until he is sure others exist and my first point of call on any copper questions

Sorry Chingford if you now get loads of questions 

Tricky..... Chingford .....maybe he will disclose some more 

[Chingford]

36 minutes ago, PWA 1967 said:

And a big hat off to Chingford who i think  found it and researched it originally.

He will not mention any until he is sure others exist and my first point of call on any copper questions

Sorry Chingford if you now get loads of questions 

Tricky..... Chingford .....maybe he will disclose some more 

I always answer honestly and openly any questions on Coppers, but with varieties I like to be sure before I say anything as many we see either garden shed projects or just die deterioration.

I will be sending a couple of GeoIV Pennies varieties I am now sure of to Richard for inclusion on his site

[PWA 1967]

Hope they are ones i have 

[Prax]

Added today

http://i.imgur.com/yyptDFf.png

[jelida]

That is niiiice........,

[1949threepence]

2 hours ago, Prax said:

Added today

http://i.imgur.com/yyptDFf.png

Superb. The wide date 1876's are quite difficult to get in high grade and that is a really neat example.

[secret santa]

Super coin.......

[PWA 1967]

Hat off Prax and a nice coin 

[Prax]

Morning All, I wanted to have something going about the bay 1967 heavy flan penny. Firstly the coin was sold by Lockdales of Ipswich. Next the coin weighs around 13-14 grams. I also noted that though the coin was strongly struck there are minor scruffs on Liz’s neck and shoulder. These are post strike marks which could have happened as a result of using a softer flan. The flan is Copper in my opinion and not bronze. I have not tested the flan’s metallic composition but the colour and scruffs (extremely soft nature of the metal) point to Copper. Finally there is a tiny extra bit of metal around the strike area. This could be because a slightly larger flan than intended was used. I have seen a lot of this on the early Vicky penny bronzes especially on the 1860 beaded borders. Does anyone know who purchased this lot http://londoncoins.co.uk/?page=Pastresults&auc=142&searchlot=1714&searchtype=2? I would be interested to carry out a comparative study. I would also like to hear from people what they think of this coin - Lockdales, pattern, copper, heavy flan, strong strike etc all interesting points to consider. Look forward to your replies and have a smashing weekend.

Edited February 6, 2016 by Prax

[secret santa]

Morning Prax - I am the proud owner of the LCA coin. What would you like to know ?

R

[Prax]

Rich, Thanks for responding. Glad you’ve got the coin. It makes it easy to discuss the important bits. I want to know if you have some good pics of your coin. Further do you know if your coin is a copper or bronze penny?

Edited February 6, 2016 by Prax

[PWA 1967]

Interesting coin Prax.

Jac mentioned one a few weeks ago.

Can you please tell me if the diameter is the same as the normal penny ?.

Pete

[Prax]

Same dia Pete!

[bhx7]

Thanks to my son I have final got a copy of Michael Gouby's Penny book 1860-1901. I have been systematically going through my Victorian pennies, and have a few more to get through, but am struggling to assign this one within the 1874 batches. The 1, 7 and 4 of the date have all been overstruck. I thought it was initially the "Nk (K+J)" reverse, but doesn't have the rounded foot to the 7. It maybe that I am new to the book but just having a few problems pinning it down and hoped you guys could help.

Edited February 6, 2016 by bhx7

[bhx7]

Here are some close ups of the date.

Thanks all in advance.

[PWA 1967]

7 hours ago, Prax said:

Same dia Pete!

The edge looks copper ,but the coin looks possibly cleaned bronze.

Might be well off the mark but still an interesting coin.

Pete

[PWA 1967]

Is yours the same diameter please Richard.

Also Prax have you weighed it mate ?.

The diameter ,weight and composition are surely the attribution.

I still think looking at the edge its copper,but the coin is bronze .....which would make me assume its not right ?.

Unless a coin was struck on a blank around the same time with the same weight..........but i cant think or know  of one.

Not another mention i can find anywere makes note of a sample or any pattern of this year.

 

I am not the expert and find really interesting but have doubts.

 

Pete.

[secret santa]

19 minutes ago, PWA 1967 said:

Is yours the same diameter please Richard.

Also Prax have you weighed it mate ?.

The diameter ,weight and composition are surely the attribution.

I still think looking at the edge its copper,but the coin is bronze .....which would make me assume its not right ?.

Unless a coin was struck on a blank around the same time with the same weight..........but i cant think or know  of one.

Not another mention i can find anywere makes note of a sample or any pattern of this year.

 

I am not the expert and find really interesting but have doubts.

 

Pete.

I will dig mine out and measure it and weigh it. It looks like bronze to me and I can't think that the mint had any copper blanks laying around in 1967 ?

R

[PWA 1967]

Yes thats what made me think when one sold on ebay it was tooled Richard.

[secret santa]

21 hours ago, bhx7 said:

Here are some close ups of the date.

Thanks all in advance.

It looks like Nj to me but remember that Michael has produced his book from pictures that collectors have sent him and there's no guarantee that between them he's captured every different combination of font and width that was ever produced. I expect that there are more "varieties" to be found and especially with his book prompting collectors to look more closely at their own specimens.

[PWA 1967]

On 2/6/2016 at 7:50 AM, Prax said:

Morning All, I wanted to have something going about the bay 1967 heavy flan penny. Firstly the coin was sold by Lockdales of Ipswich. Next the coin weighs around 13-14 grams. I also noted that though the coin was strongly struck there are minor scruffs on Liz’s neck and shoulder. These are post strike marks which could have happened as a result of using a softer flan. The flan is Copper in my opinion and not bronze. I have not tested the flan’s metallic composition but the colour and scruffs (extremely soft nature of the metal) point to Copper. Finally there is a tiny extra bit of metal around the strike area. This could be because a slightly larger flan than intended was used. I have seen a lot of this on the early Vicky penny bronzes especially on the 1860 beaded borders. Does anyone know who purchased this lot http://londoncoins.co.uk/?page=Pastresults&auc=142&searchlot=1714&searchtype=2? I would be interested to carry out a comparative study. I would also like to hear from people what they think of this coin - Lockdales, pattern, copper, heavy flan, strong strike etc all interesting points to consider. Look forward to your replies and have a smashing weekend.

Sorry Prax just noticed you had weighed it ,really interested and forgot your original post. 

[davidrj]

57 minutes ago, secret santa said:

It looks like Nj to me but remember that Michael has produced his book from pictures that collectors have sent him and there's no guarantee that between them he's captured every different combination of font and width that was ever produced. I expect that there are more "varieties" to be found and especially with his book prompting collectors to look more closely at their own specimens.

I have a poor example showing the identical re-enterred 7 and 4, posted some years ago on here, but can't find the thread

 

 

Edited February 7, 2016 by davidrj

[davidrj]

14 hours ago, davidrj said:

I have a poor example showing the identical re-enterred 7 and 4, posted some years ago on here, but can't find the thread

Found it! mine has the rentered 4 like your penny plus possibly a broken 7, corrosion doesn't help.

Your example is much clearer and confirms at least that the 4 over 4 exists

 

[bhx7]

20 hours ago, secret santa said:

It looks like Nj to me but remember that Michael has produced his book from pictures that collectors have sent him and there's no guarantee that between them he's captured every different combination of font and width that was ever produced. I expect that there are more "varieties" to be found and especially with his book prompting collectors to look more closely at their own specimens.

Thanks Richard, appreciate the info and help. Agree with everything you've stated. Think mine definitely shows a few different anomalies that Michael hasn't listed, but to list everything would as you say be impossible. This is the great thing about this hobby there is always new things to find.

Thanks Brian

[Bernie]

My 1967 heavy flan appears to be a bronze coin that weighs 11.7929 grams. (1967F)  Another Cupro-nickel 1967 heavy flan weighs 12.3013 (1967H)