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[RLC35]

15 hours ago, secret santa said:

Actually, looking at the 2 reverses, there is a greater difference in the waves, which are engraved completely differently on the two varieties.

 

There is also a lower sea level on one coin from the other.

[secret santa]

8 minutes ago, RLC35 said:

There is also a lower sea level on one coin from the other.

It may look that way because of the different number of border teeth on the 2 reverses.

[secret santa]

Just watched a nice 1911 Hollow Neck sell for £1800 plus commission at Tennants auction.

[PWA 1967]

6 minutes ago, secret santa said:

Just watched a nice 1911 Hollow Neck sell for £1800 plus commission at Tennants auction.

I hope the buyer viewed it in hand and did not just buy it from the OBV picture 👍

[secret santa]

53 minutes ago, PWA 1967 said:

I hope the buyer viewed it in hand and did not just buy it from the OBV picture

It was on Ebay earlier this year and I enquired of the vendor whether it had been cleaned, polished etc as the apparent lustre could have been enhanced. I was hoping that the auction house would give it a more accurate description - I certainly wouldn't have bought it without viewing first. But it may be fine. I get some pics of the reverse from Tennants but they weren't very useful.

[PWA 1967]

15 minutes ago, secret santa said:

It was on Ebay earlier this year and I enquired of the vendor whether it had been cleaned, polished etc as the apparent lustre could have been enhanced. I was hoping that the auction house would give it a more accurate description - I certainly wouldn't have bought it without viewing first. But it may be fine. I get some pics of the reverse from Tennants but they weren't very useful.

Yes i remember it ,i only mentioned it as often people seem to be buying coins from pictures for quite a lot of money and in this case there was only one side 😀

I also asked for the pictures ,so they probably sent the same ones. 

So long as the buyer is happy that is all that matters and beginners dont just pay a good few quid from a picture of just one side.

Edited August 11, 2021 by PWA 1967

[alfnail]

Poor grade, but found this 1875Ce (Cannon Ball) on ebay the other day.

I noticed looking at latest MG page 68 that he still has the other type of 1875 with a dot (i.e. under the first I of VICTORIA) down as a Cd, with same obverse (his L) as the cannon ball.

However, the only coins I have seen with dot under I  have had the narrow date reverse. In fact I have only seen two 1875Cd's being sold since his 2009 book when type was first documented, both at auctions with LCA in 2016.

Q. Does anyone know if the dot under first  I of VICTORIA has actually (definitely) been seen paired with reverse L?

Q. Isn't the dot under first I, type Cd, equally as rare as the cannon ball (and 1870 dot under Y) and worthy, therefore, of being in Richard's rarestpennies list?

 

[jelida]

Yes, I noted that but thought that as I already have three I shouldn’t be greedy!

Jerry

[alfnail]

Yes, I saw you had 3 out of only 7 documented specimens to date, well done...... must drive you dotty!

[PWA 1967]

I looked at that and even sent a link to a friend as the 5 looked like it was over something on the ebay picture ,both of us did not notice the dot ,so well SPOTted 😀👍

[secret santa]

59 minutes ago, alfnail said:

Isn't the dot under first I, type Cd, equally as rare as the cannon ball (and 1870 dot under Y) and worthy, therefore, of being in Richard's rarestpennies list?

I don't have any pictures of this type.

[alfnail]

43 minutes ago, PWA 1967 said:

I looked at that and even sent a link to a friend as the 5 looked like it was over something on the ebay picture ,both of us did not notice the dot ,so well SPOTted 😀👍

Well spotted yourself Pete. I too saw that the 5 looked a bit strange, made me question whether the cannon ball was present because didn't think other cannon ball examples had anything going on with the 5.

Anyway, here is a close-up to put you out of your misery.

[alfnail]

9 minutes ago, secret santa said:

I don't have any pictures of this type.

Links to the two LCA pieces Richard:-

Penny 1875 as Freeman 80 dies 8+H but with a raised dot below the fi : A154 L2439 : Auction Prices (londoncoins.co.uk)

Penny 1875 as Freeman 80 dies 8+H but with a raised dot below the fi : A152 L2425 : Auction Prices (londoncoins.co.uk)

 

[blakeyboy]

Both of my 'dots below the I' are the small date too!

[alfnail]

Does your Cannon Ball have the repaired 5 Blake.... same question for Jerry x 3?

[secret santa]

2 hours ago, alfnail said:

Links to the two LCA pieces Richard:-

Thanks Ian, I'll create a  new page for these in the next few days.

[jelida]

56 minutes ago, alfnail said:

Does your Cannon Ball have the repaired 5 Blake.... same question for Jerry x 3?

None of my three have a repaired ‘5’, looking like yours, though the two better ones clearly show a very minor degree of doubling of the ‘8’,  ‘7’ and ‘5’.

Jerry

[blakeyboy]

1 hour ago, alfnail said:

Does your Cannon Ball have the repaired 5 Blake.... same question for Jerry x 3?

No- I looked earlier.  That '5' on yours is really interesting- what the hell is underneath???

[secret santa]

2 hours ago, blakeyboy said:

Both of my 'dots below the I' are the small date too!

Blake, can you post or send photos for my website please.

[jelida]

32 minutes ago, blakeyboy said:

No- I looked earlier.  That '5' on yours is really interesting- what the hell is underneath???

I don’t think anything is underneath, either a bit of die fill or a small knock to the crossbar of the ‘5’. But it could do with photo superimposition on a ‘normal’ ‘5’  to be sure that the outlines are the same. This surely must be a single die variety.

Jerry

[alfnail]

5 hours ago, alfnail said:

Q. Does anyone know if the dot under first  I of VICTORIA has actually (definitely) been seen paired with reverse L?

Apologies for my earlier typo, I should of course have said reverse k (not L).

[alfnail]

55 minutes ago, blakeyboy said:

No- I looked earlier.  That '5' on yours is really interesting- what the hell is underneath???

 

17 minutes ago, jelida said:

I don’t think anything is underneath, either a bit of die fill or a small knock to the crossbar of the ‘5’. But it could do with photo superimposition on a ‘normal’ ‘5’  to be sure that the outlines are the same. This surely must be a single die variety.

Jerry

I think it looks like top part of another 'higher' 5 Blake, but then there is no other part of an underneath 5 protruding elsewhere which I guess I would have expected to see e.g. like this 1862/2  

Edited August 11, 2021 by alfnail

[alfnail]

1 hour ago, jelida said:

I don’t think anything is underneath, either a bit of die fill or a small knock to the crossbar of the ‘5’. But it could do with photo superimposition on a ‘normal’ ‘5’  to be sure that the outlines are the same. This surely must be a single die variety.

Jerry

Re. your 'must be a single die variety' comment Jerry, I have just taken digital microscope shots of this low grade Cannon Ball (with repaired 5) and compared to my higher grade example (no repaired 5) to attempt to pinpoint the dot in relation to a) the sea level and b) the linear circle.  Whilst the border teeth are flatter on the more worn (repaired 5) example it does seem to me that the cannon ball fits in well with the expected location.....and must be bona fide.

 

[alfnail]

....and here's the numeral 5 on the better cannon ball for comparison to the repaired example

 

[jelida]

2 minutes ago, alfnail said:

....and here's the numeral 5 on the better cannon ball for comparison to the repaired example

 

I am pretty sure that the silhouette of the two ‘5’s is identical, which it should not be if there was a mis-placed ‘repair’.  I think there is another reason for the apparent difference other than an altered die. Can you superimpose the images? Perhaps the apparent dent in the horizontal of the above ‘5’ is an earlier stage die fill.

Jerry