1949threepence Posted March 22, 2017 Posted March 22, 2017 1 hour ago, secret santa said: I have a lustrous Unc example - it was mentioned in John Jerrams' book on the Bun Penny (top of page 20) as a 2 over 2 much as Rob describes. Yes, I should have remembered that. Here is the extract:- 1 Quote
alfnail Posted March 22, 2017 Posted March 22, 2017 Thanks for the picture Richard, might have guessed you would have one! I had previously thought that the Jerrams comment was referencing the type which I have pictured below, a currency piece which I have now sold. Interestingly this type with underlying 2 was also sold as a proof example at London Coins last March; the link below. http://www.londoncoins.co.uk/?page=Pastresults&auc=152&searchlot=2390&searchtype=2 If John had sketched an image in his book, like he has for other over-date examples, then we would know which of these two types he was referencing. Quote
1949threepence Posted March 23, 2017 Posted March 23, 2017 (edited) On 3/9/2017 at 11:37 PM, 1949threepence said: Actually, on that 1867 you mention, Pete, quite apart from the obvious tonnage inscription, there is also an odd feature on the reverse. It's a straight bar, rising at a 45 degree angle between the base of the lighthouse and Britannia's shield. link Still curious to know about this angled bar. Or is it two parallel lines which give an optical illusion of a raised surface area. Anybody got thoughts on it? Edited March 23, 2017 by 1949threepence Quote
1949threepence Posted March 23, 2017 Posted March 23, 2017 16 minutes ago, Nordle11 said: Can you overlay it with the obverse? Unfortunately, I don't have the facilty on this machine, to do that. Quote
Rob Posted March 23, 2017 Posted March 23, 2017 I don't think it would make any difference because there is no matching feature at this angle on the obverse. Quote
1949threepence Posted March 23, 2017 Posted March 23, 2017 7 minutes ago, Rob said: I don't think it would make any difference because there is no matching feature at this angle on the obverse. Yes, as far as I can tell, it's just plain field. Quote
PWA 1967 Posted March 23, 2017 Posted March 23, 2017 16 hours ago, alfnail said: Thanks for the picture Richard, might have guessed you would have one! I had previously thought that the Jerrams comment was referencing the type which I have pictured below, a currency piece which I have now sold. Interestingly this type with underlying 2 was also sold as a proof example at London Coins last March; the link below. http://www.londoncoins.co.uk/?page=Pastresults&auc=152&searchlot=2390&searchtype=2 If John had sketched an image in his book, like he has for other over-date examples, then we would know which of these two types he was referencing. This is the one described in the Satin brochure Ian Quote
secret santa Posted March 23, 2017 Posted March 23, 2017 40 minutes ago, PWA 1967 said: This is the one described in the Satin brochure Ian Pete, may I enquire as to how you are so sure ? John's description doesn't seem very precise. Quote
PWA 1967 Posted March 23, 2017 Posted March 23, 2017 1 minute ago, secret santa said: Pete, may I enquire as to how you are so sure ? John's description doesn't seem very precise. I asked him this morning and sent the pictures Quote
secret santa Posted March 23, 2017 Posted March 23, 2017 2 minutes ago, PWA 1967 said: I asked him this morning and sent the pictures Terrific - thanks - v useful info. Quote
alfnail Posted March 23, 2017 Posted March 23, 2017 Thanks for clarifying this Pete, much appreciated. I see that the one which was on ebay on a BIN for £60 sold earlier today, perhaps to someone reading this thread http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/GB-Queen-Victoria-bronze-penny-1862-/162438645295? 1 Quote
PWA 1967 Posted March 23, 2017 Posted March 23, 2017 19 minutes ago, alfnail said: Thanks for clarifying this Pete, much appreciated. I see that the one which was on ebay on a BIN for £60 sold earlier today, perhaps to someone reading this thread http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/GB-Queen-Victoria-bronze-penny-1862-/162438645295? Probably ......The power of the forum Hundreds read without posting 1 Quote
1949threepence Posted March 23, 2017 Posted March 23, 2017 7 minutes ago, PWA 1967 said: Probably ......The power of the forum Hundreds read without posting Indeed. You only have to click "online users", at the top of the page, to realise that. Quote
Cliff Posted March 23, 2017 Posted March 23, 2017 (edited) On 20/02/2017 at 3:44 PM, 1949threepence said: Another interesting one. Here the H is to the left and in contact with the linear circle, so it's top most part is practically underneath the 8. Do you know how they described this H to the left Mike? Yes, the H to the right is mine. Edited March 23, 2017 by Cliff Removed duplicated pics Quote
Cliff Posted March 23, 2017 Posted March 23, 2017 1 hour ago, alfnail said: Thanks for clarifying this Pete, much appreciated. I see that the one which was on ebay on a BIN for £60 sold earlier today, perhaps to someone reading this thread http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/GB-Queen-Victoria-bronze-penny-1862-/162438645295? Twas I! Will try for better pics of 2/2 when I get back/receive coin next week. Quote
Cliff Posted March 23, 2017 Posted March 23, 2017 Don't know why 1881H posting has reappeared!? Tried to edit out but no go. Probably should do more posting to keep my skills up! Quote
PWA 1967 Posted March 24, 2017 Posted March 24, 2017 Some coppers i have not posted before that are quite scarce. 1841 Bramah 2a flaw to 4 1843 No colon 1855 Extra colon after FID. 2 Quote
mrbadexample Posted March 24, 2017 Posted March 24, 2017 Bit small those Pete, I can't see the detail. Quote
PWA 1967 Posted March 24, 2017 Posted March 24, 2017 15 minutes ago, mrbadexample said: Bit small those Pete, I can't see the detail. If you type in your keyboard enlarge picture in BLOCK CAPITALS and click on the picture it makes it bigger for you Jon. Quote
mrbadexample Posted March 24, 2017 Posted March 24, 2017 19 minutes ago, PWA 1967 said: If you type in your keyboard enlarge picture in BLOCK CAPITALS and click on the picture it makes it bigger for you Jon. Quote
alfnail Posted March 24, 2017 Posted March 24, 2017 Although I can no longer see the CGS population report, as I have not paid a fee, I believe the 1855 variety with the 3 dots has been documented by them as their variety PE.V1.1855.03, and described along the lines of “a raised dot giving the appearance of a 3rd colon dot after FID”. I attach a close up picture of one of my own pieces for reference. Unlike some dots which we see on Victorian pennies which are clearly unintentional, and result from flaws or specks of dirt getting into the strike, I think that the top dot near the rim on this 1855 is most likely an intentional repair to the weaker ‘clogged’ half-dot seen immediately below.….but a repair done rather badly. This would not be unreasonable as several other examples of repaired / re-struck colon dots are seen in this series. I prefer to think of features which are created by a person, either intentionally or unintentionally to be regarded as true varieties rather than random dots which are not man made. I realise that this will no convince those with an 1897 dot or 1875 canon ball penny! 1 Quote
secret santa Posted March 24, 2017 Posted March 24, 2017 57 minutes ago, alfnail said: I prefer to think of features which are created by a "person" Very politically correct Ian - excellent ! Quote
Cliff Posted March 27, 2017 Posted March 27, 2017 On 3/22/2017 at 8:39 PM, Cliff said: Pics as promised. 1 Quote
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