patrick6 Posted April 22, 2014 Posted April 22, 2014 Hello, I do not think this is normal.The first coin: toothThe second: pearles, if I do not make a mistake ?Can you say it more please ?Thank you... Quote
Nordle11 Posted April 22, 2014 Posted April 22, 2014 Worn die? All post Victorian pennies are toothed, none are beaded.. Quote
azda Posted April 22, 2014 Posted April 22, 2014 (edited) Worn die? All post Victorian pennies are toothed, none are beaded..[/quo early 1860 pennies had beaded borders which then became toothed. Check the diameters of the coins Edited April 22, 2014 by azda Quote
Gary1000 Posted April 22, 2014 Posted April 22, 2014 Worn die? All post Victorian pennies are toothed, none are beaded..Apart from EII Quote
Nordle11 Posted April 22, 2014 Posted April 22, 2014 Worn die? All post Victorian pennies are toothed, none are beaded..[/quoearly 1860 pennies had beaded borders which then became toothed. Check the diameters of the coinsI did say post VicWorn die? All post Victorian pennies are toothed, none are beaded..Apart from EIISorry I was just being lazy Quote
patrick6 Posted April 22, 2014 Author Posted April 22, 2014 Weight 9,16 gDiameter 30,66 mmCertainely a forgery...Thank you very much... Quote
Nordle11 Posted April 22, 2014 Posted April 22, 2014 What makes you say it's a forgery Patrick?It should weigh 9.4g with a diameter of 31mm, so giving a bit of leeway for inconsistencies and the wear, I'd say that's about right.. Quote
davidrj Posted April 22, 2014 Posted April 22, 2014 (edited) You are looking at two different reverse dies F.158 Rev. b E of PENNY to gap (Scarcer type) F.159 Rev. c E of PENNY to toothDavid Edited April 22, 2014 by davidrj Quote
patrick6 Posted April 22, 2014 Author Posted April 22, 2014 I'm not saying it's wrong because a dimension are not good.I say that if there' s only tooth for "Edward", I am surprise that this coin is true.Sorry for my English...thank you Quote
Nordle11 Posted April 22, 2014 Posted April 22, 2014 (edited) Ah I see!No problem at all, your English is definitely better than my fluency in your mother tongue! I do still think this is just a worn die/a weak strike as opposed to a forgery though! Edited April 22, 2014 by Nordle11 Quote
patrick6 Posted April 22, 2014 Author Posted April 22, 2014 Thank you very much for your kindness...I will soon buy the "Freeman" and I bore you more for error. Quote
Nordle11 Posted April 22, 2014 Posted April 22, 2014 Bore away, there's a few error collectors on here including myself who are always happy to help. Even non error collectors will chip in I'm sure. Bear in mind that Freeman doesn't necessarily list errors but more variations of dies. You do get a few mentions of things like dot flaws but actual mint errors like strike-throughs or brockages won't be in there! Quote
patrick6 Posted April 22, 2014 Author Posted April 22, 2014 Thank you for this information that will help me in my purchase. Quote
Accumulator Posted April 22, 2014 Posted April 22, 2014 You are looking at two different reverse dies F.158 Rev. b E of PENNY to gap (Scarcer type) F.159 Rev. c E of PENNY to toothDavidYou've hit the nail on the head David, two different dies. Actually F-160 & F-161 though! Quote
Peckris Posted April 22, 2014 Posted April 22, 2014 (edited) Hello, I do not think this is normal.The first coin: toothThe second: pearles, if I do not make a mistake ?Can you say it more please ?Thank you...For what it's worth (extremely boring as both are very common ), you have an example of each of the two varieties of 1905 penny there. The first has the E of PENNY out of correct alignment - it's parallel to the N and angled away from the P - while the second has the three letters PEN in correct rotation to each other. As I say, it's the second most boring 20th Century variety, but I just thought I'd point it out...(Sorry, I just noticed Accumulator has already mentioned it ) Edited April 22, 2014 by Peckris Quote
Accumulator Posted April 22, 2014 Posted April 22, 2014 So what the most boring the 1908?1908 is up there. I've seen several incorrect attributions in auctions. The 1* obverse is the big rarity, though. Quote
Accumulator Posted April 22, 2014 Posted April 22, 2014 Hello, I do not think this is normal.The first coin: toothThe second: pearles, if I do not make a mistake ?Can you say it more please ?Thank you...For what it's worth (extremely boring as both are very common ), you have an example of each of the two varieties of 1905 penny there. The first has the E of PENNY out of correct alignment - it's parallel to the N and angled away from the P - while the second has the three letters PEN in correct rotation to each other. As I say, it's the second most boring 20th Century variety, but I just thought I'd point it out...(Sorry, I just noticed Accumulator has already mentioned it )To be fair, David mentioned it first Peck Quote
Peckris Posted April 22, 2014 Posted April 22, 2014 So what the most boring the 1908?No, the most boring by far concerns the 1937 penny reverse. There's two MICRO-MICRO varieties, which have something to do with whether the exergue line crosses through a tooth or not. Both are equally common, and I've never even looked to see which mine is, or the proof, as I JUST DON'T CARE Quote
Nicholas Posted April 22, 2014 Posted April 22, 2014 Hi patrivk6. Have you ever met someone who makes penny forgeries? Quote
patrick6 Posted April 23, 2014 Author Posted April 23, 2014 Hi Nicholas, I wanted to talk a false time, you could buy a lot of things with a penny,there a hundred years Quote
patrick6 Posted April 23, 2014 Author Posted April 23, 2014 Why do you want me to "cave quid" on this forum are very friendly collectors... Quote
Peckris Posted April 23, 2014 Posted April 23, 2014 cave quid dicis, quando, et cuiWell yes - if you're a forger!! Quote
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