Scarborough Coin 1645

[TomGoodheart]

Looks even more like a modern copy now it's been polished I'm afraid.

However, I'm not sure we will resolve its authenticity here. I suggest you take it to a reputable dealer such as Spink, Baldwins or London Coins and have it looked at in person. But I wouldn't get too excited if I were you.

[Rob]

its more likely to be electrum ,approx its 4.3grams

That doesn't help its original status. These things are cut from hallmarked plate, i.e. from 0.925 silver. If genuine, the weight of 1 shilling and 6 pence would be about 9 grams, though the weights of the noted pieces do vary a bit. 4.3 grams is far too light. Given these were supposed to be struck under siege conditions, there is a possibility that they would be slightly lightweight to eke out the silver available. So for example, the Carlisle siege pieces (which are attested from contemporary documentary evidence) are struck 10-15% underweight. Your piece is over 50% underweight.

[Rob]

i appreciate everyones replies but it looks nothing like the 2588 in the post,its S D ,not R D or K D .

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Heres another 2 pictures of coin.

Nobody said it looks like Lockett 2588 - that was Nick saying he could see something on the octagonal piece resembling RD or something, so nothing to do with your coin. The KD or RD is seen in your original post to the right of the tower with the letters rotated 90^o to the right, i.e. rotate the image the same amount anticlockwise to view these normally. The S D for mark of value is not questioned, just the punches used.

I'm sorry, but it doesn't tick any boxes for me. Even starting with an open mind.

[Paulus]

There is an RD clear at 3 o/c in your OP picture, but it is not visible in the latest one.

The S and D stands for shillings and pence (from the Latin Solidi and Denarii), so being a 1/6 your coin shows S D whereas the London Coins example just has an 'S', as it is a shilling.

If you think it has a chance, I would do what others have suggested and take it to a reputable dealer. The British Museum may also be able to help.

[Nick]

I'm not sure about your comment about the 'RD' since it looks fairly clear on your photo.

I think it's just a trick of the light on that first photo. If you look at the other pictures, there is no sign of it.

Edited December 19, 2013 by Nick

[mhcoins]

It appears to me to be a forgery, however like others have said it very difficult to say without seeing th epiece in hand. I am also aware of another group of forgeries that where made to apparently satisfy collector’s desires to have a Scarborough besieged piece in their collections. I seem to remember this second group being sold on ebay by an American seller about 3 years ago.

Re The Caroli Fortuna Pieces i have one and have a useful write up to accompany the coin, which gives you an insight into the origins.

heres a link to it http://www.mhcoins.co.uk/coins/hammeredsilver/charles-i-1625-49-scarborough-besieged-shilling/

[azda]

i appreciate everyones replies but it looks nothing like the 2588 in the post,its S D ,not R D or K D .

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Heres another 2 pictures of coin.

You seem to be getting a little stressd. The S D is in plain view in the Centre, Butt here is also a very small R D to the right of the coin, thats what was mentioned

[angela2659]

thanks ever so much for everyones opinions bout the coin,im not getting stressed over it one bit.thats the first time i just saw the r d on the coin in d pic,but i can not see it when in my hand...strange i no...so does anyone know what the r d might mean on it?

[Peter]

Angela

Bite the bullet and send it to CGS coin graders.

If it is real they will slab and guarentee it.

If it hasn't got provenance or proved dodgy it will be worth melt.

These coins were cut from silver plate so many fakes are about and are still being manufactured.

[angela2659]

thanks very much peter for your reply and yes i agree that is the best thing for me to do.

thank you once again.

[Coinery]

There is an RD clear at 3 o/c in your OP picture, but it is not visible in the latest one.

The S and D stands for shillings and pence (from the Latin Solidi and Denarii), so being a 1/6 your coin shows S D whereas the London Coins example just has an 'S', as it is a shilling.

If you think it has a chance, I would do what others have suggested and take it to a reputable dealer. The British Museum may also be able to help.

And so as not to further confuse issues, a number of the responses on here, have come from UK respected dealers!

I'd say no to this one Angela, unless you wished to pursue the CGS Coin Grading suggestion!

There are a number of people on here who would pay the multiples of thousand pounds this coin would be worth if genuine! If you've been privately messaged by any individual on this forum, making you a multiple £1000 offer, I'd quickly take it!

It got our hearts ticking for a bit!

Wishing you a very merry Christmas!

[TomGoodheart]

thanks very much peter for your reply and yes i agree that is the best thing for me to do.

thank you once again.

Oops. In all that I forgot to say welcome to predecimal Angela!

Please let us know how you get on. I'm sure everyone would love to hear if you've found 'the real deal'. And if not, well, it's still a fascinating piece, so thanks for sharing!

[angela2659]

thank you...wishing all a happy xmas and new year,dont worry i will let you know the outcome.

[Coinery]

Should also say, you seemed to know a little bit yourself so, yes, welcome aboard! Do you collect?

[angela2659]

i got left a load of my great grandads stuff and he was a collector,but since i came across this scarborough coin i became very interested about any coins,their markings,errors etc...its very interesting ,i found out alot i never used to know.i also got some proof soveriegns,commemorative crowns,and loads more others ,all in sets.i might put them in the londoncoins auction ,which i think is held in march coming.i would like to sell them for bullion prices coz i know there are worth a lot more.

[Accumulator]

It sounds like you might have some nice coins there. I'm sure, however you choose to sell, there will be members here interested (I'm always looking for pennies ). Good luck.

Edited December 19, 2013 by Accumulator

[angela2659]

i have a load of pennies ,george iii,william cartwheel 2p's,george v, victoria ,dating between 18 and 19 century.

[Peter]

Don't let your guard down.

I will vouch and recommend that most members are 100%.

Go and get your coin authenticated (did I say that?)

Not all coins are difficult to ID but when coins made from Royal silver plates it does become more difficult.

[Accumulator]

i have a load of pennies ,george iii,william cartwheel 2p's,george v, victoria ,dating between 18 and 19 century.

I'm sure we'd all appreciate some pictures, if you were able to post these

[angela2659]

yes i understand all that part of it,thanks.prob going to have to get it slabbed so then i know 100 per cent if its fake or real.i will post up a few pictures of coins,old notes etc that i have,just need to get them sorted and put on my laptop.

[Peter]

Don't worry with slabbing for your other coins we maybe able to help

[angela2659]

great, thanks. i will put them up at some point 2morr,im off to bed now 4 wrk in morning ,

good nite zzzz.

[azda]

i got left a load of my great grandads stuff and he was a collector,but since i came across this scarborough coin i became very interested about any coins,their markings,errors etc...its very interesting ,i found out alot i never used to know.i also got some proof soveriegns,commemorative crowns,and loads more others ,all in sets.i might put them in the londoncoins auction ,which i think is held in march coming.i would like to sell them for bullion prices coz i know there are worth a lot more.

Will be good to see the other stuff also. If nothing, you've learnt a little bit surrounding the Scarborough coinage and a very interesting period of British history. If its tweaked your enthusiasm then why sell the other coins, you seem to have a good Base to further your great grandfathers collection