CVarnz Posted October 23, 2013 Posted October 23, 2013 These coins are stunning unfortunately I have none with any nice toning (( Quote
Coinery Posted October 23, 2013 Posted October 23, 2013 So, this also raises a new point...what determines AT?Is an old, deep grey, hammered coin, that has been cleaned from the ground, and then stored in an old collector's cabinet for 200 years, artificially toned?Is a previously dipped coin, that's been sat on the top shelf of a kitchen cupboard for the last year, artificially toned?I think it's all about intent. A silver coin stored in inert conditions will over many years go though grey and eventually to black. Add any type of polution into the mix and you get colours. So is storing a silver coin in an old brown envelope AT or NT.Apologies to all for sidetracking this great thread, but silver coins do not follow a predictable colour change! I recently lived right beside the Severn estuary, and any and ALL exposed coins would go steely blue with rainbow hues! It's been annoying to say the least, as they look atrocious until they go through this 'window' and either 'brown-out' or go dark enough that they don't look US rainbow-toned!I've got an E7 Crown that I've had in said conditions, which I'm going to sell just as soon as I get it photographed (I'll post them up here for interest, though it's now much darker than it was in the rainbow zone), it's had nothing added, just a coin sat on the cupboard! Quote
Nick Posted October 23, 2013 Posted October 23, 2013 Hmmm, don't want to call anybody out, as they say, but a couple of the examples posted are suspicious for cleaning and then retoning, AT or not.... If any of the suspicious examples are mine, please feel free to "out" them as such. Quote
jaggy Posted October 23, 2013 Posted October 23, 2013 Light golden toning on a 1907 florin:Nice! I like it when the toning is in the hair giving that little bit of contrast. Quote
Paulus Posted October 23, 2013 Author Posted October 23, 2013 (edited) 1902 shilling:That's a gawjus one NickEdit: so is the 1907, right up my street! Edited October 23, 2013 by Paulus Quote
TomGoodheart Posted October 23, 2013 Posted October 23, 2013 (edited) While I do own some coins that have been cleaned, none of my coins have been cleaned by me. Neither have I ever resorted to AT. Indeed, in my naivety, I didn't know that such a thing existed until the recent thread.Oh, I tone off all of mine by feeding them to Sumatran Civet cats. Messy process and the shipping costs are horrendous but the results .. oh, wait. Maybe that's my coffee .... Edited October 23, 2013 by TomGoodheart Quote
jaggy Posted October 23, 2013 Posted October 23, 2013 While I do own some coins that have been cleaned, none of my coins have been cleaned by me. Neither have I ever resorted to AT. Indeed, in my naivety, I didn't know that such a thing existed until the recent thread.Oh, I tone off all of mine by feeding them to Sumatran Civet cats. Messy process and the shipping costs are horrendous but the results .. oh, wait. Maybe that's my coffee .... I like it Quote
Rob Posted October 23, 2013 Posted October 23, 2013 Nice bit of rainbow toning.http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Authentic-1971-2-Pence-England-Coin-with-Extensive-Green-Patina-/321233925812?pt=US_World_Coins&hash=item4acb08b6b4 On a more serious note though, does he really need 6 images to show off a corroded 2p? Little wonder he started it at $6.99 as his fees for the extra images must come to nearly that. Quote
Peckris Posted October 23, 2013 Posted October 23, 2013 Nice bit of rainbow toning.http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Authentic-1971-2-Pence-England-Coin-with-Extensive-Green-Patina-/321233925812?pt=US_World_Coins&hash=item4acb08b6b4 On a more serious note though, does he really need 6 images to show off a corroded 2p? Little wonder he started it at $6.99 as his fees for the extra images must come to nearly that. I notice the postage costs are even higher than that. I assume that's because he has to send such a valuable piece by the American version of Special Delivery? Quote
Rob Posted October 23, 2013 Posted October 23, 2013 Nice bit of rainbow toning.http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Authentic-1971-2-Pence-England-Coin-with-Extensive-Green-Patina-/321233925812?pt=US_World_Coins&hash=item4acb08b6b4 On a more serious note though, does he really need 6 images to show off a corroded 2p? Little wonder he started it at $6.99 as his fees for the extra images must come to nearly that. I notice the postage costs are even higher than that. I assume that's because he has to send such a valuable piece by the American version of Special Delivery? Like this? http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?start=150&hl=en&biw=1920&bih=914&tbm=isch&tbnid=t9I0sS7kfPvQfM:&imgrefurl=http://www.raleighscrapmetalrecycling.com/&docid=dc4iAls5kkKftM&imgurl=http://www.raleighscrapmetalrecycling.com/images/slider/slide-5.jpg&w=964&h=340&ei=zDNoUs_LAcTX0QW_ioGwCA&zoom=1&ved=1t:3588,r:53,s:100,i:163&iact=rc&page=5&tbnh=133&tbnw=348&ndsp=39&tx=164&ty=92 Quote
Paulus Posted October 23, 2013 Author Posted October 23, 2013 Nice bit of rainbow toning.http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Authentic-1971-2-Pence-England-Coin-with-Extensive-Green-Patina-/321233925812?pt=US_World_Coins&hash=item4acb08b6b4 On a more serious note though, does he really need 6 images to show off a corroded 2p? Little wonder he started it at $6.99 as his fees for the extra images must come to nearly that. I notice the postage costs are even higher than that. I assume that's because he has to send such a valuable piece by the American version of Special Delivery? Like this? http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?start=150&hl=en&biw=1920&bih=914&tbm=isch&tbnid=t9I0sS7kfPvQfM:&imgrefurl=http://www.raleighscrapmetalrecycling.com/&docid=dc4iAls5kkKftM&imgurl=http://www.raleighscrapmetalrecycling.com/images/slider/slide-5.jpg&w=964&h=340&ei=zDNoUs_LAcTX0QW_ioGwCA&zoom=1&ved=1t:3588,r:53,s:100,i:163&iact=rc&page=5&tbnh=133&tbnw=348&ndsp=39&tx=164&ty=92 Quote
VickySilver Posted October 23, 2013 Posted October 23, 2013 Uhhh, Nick how about bribing my silence by paying me off with the 1869 6d? LOLOK, I don't want to start a witch hunt with my hide the designated target, but IMO a couple of questionables (okay excepting Nick and Accumulator, with whose I can't quibble):the OP 1902 6d, cleaned and retonedthe 1834 2/6 , cleaned or dipped.the 1787 jaggy bit cleaned/dipped and retonedthe 1911 2/6the 1821 crownthat 1806 Colin G bit Quote
Paulus Posted October 23, 2013 Author Posted October 23, 2013 Uhhh, Nick how about bribing my silence by paying me off with the 1869 6d? LOLOK, I don't want to start a witch hunt with my hide the designated target, but IMO a couple of questionables (okay excepting Nick and Accumulator, with whose I can't quibble):the OP 1902 6d, cleaned and retonedthe 1834 2/6 , cleaned or dipped.the 1787 jaggy bit cleaned/dipped and retonedthe 1911 2/6the 1821 crownthat 1806 Colin G bit3 of mine there VS and absolutely no offence taken, always keen to learn! Certainly no cleaning done by myself in the 6 months - 4 years I have owned them. What are the tell-tale signs you are spotting? With cleaning I only really look for hair lines. With dipping a dull, lifeless quality that I find hard to put in to words! The 1834 and 1821 are both CGS slabbed, and the 1821 is ex DNW, neither mentioning possible previous cleaning or dipping, but I know they are sometimes often wrong! Quote
Paulus Posted October 23, 2013 Author Posted October 23, 2013 Here's the OP coin again, I have never been in the least concerned about it from a cleaning/toning point of view, what have you spotted VS? Quote
Peckris Posted October 23, 2013 Posted October 23, 2013 Nice bit of rainbow toning.http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Authentic-1971-2-Pence-England-Coin-with-Extensive-Green-Patina-/321233925812?pt=US_World_Coins&hash=item4acb08b6b4 On a more serious note though, does he really need 6 images to show off a corroded 2p? Little wonder he started it at $6.99 as his fees for the extra images must come to nearly that. I notice the postage costs are even higher than that. I assume that's because he has to send such a valuable piece by the American version of Special Delivery? Like this? http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?start=150&hl=en&biw=1920&bih=914&tbm=isch&tbnid=t9I0sS7kfPvQfM:&imgrefurl=http://www.raleighscrapmetalrecycling.com/&docid=dc4iAls5kkKftM&imgurl=http://www.raleighscrapmetalrecycling.com/images/slider/slide-5.jpg&w=964&h=340&ei=zDNoUs_LAcTX0QW_ioGwCA&zoom=1&ved=1t:3588,r:53,s:100,i:163&iact=rc&page=5&tbnh=133&tbnw=348&ndsp=39&tx=164&ty=92 Quote
Colin G. Posted October 23, 2013 Posted October 23, 2013 (edited) VS the 1806 is a copper proof hence the tone...it is perfectly natural....I personally think it is good that you challenged some of the coins Edited October 23, 2013 by Colin G. Quote
Coinery Posted October 23, 2013 Posted October 23, 2013 I guess it goes back to the point, what actually defines AT! Because a 're-toning nicely' coin, which many must be out there, or a time-suspended toned coin, which has suddenly been unlocked from its dark place (or slab) to begin a second, possibly third, stage of toning, is that a genuine tone?Really difficult! But, I guess for myself, that, as long as the tone looks natural (ie not accelerated in any way) in its progression, it's all good! Eye appeal is of course king and, to use the OP coin as an example, I'd want to suspend it in exactly the state it's in presently...which also begs the question, if someone had had the same thought in 1920, would it be a lesser coin not to have had its full 100 year whack of oxidation and grime? Quote
Nick Posted October 23, 2013 Posted October 23, 2013 Uhhh, Nick how about bribing my silence by paying me off with the 1869 6d? LOLOK, I don't want to start a witch hunt with my hide the designated target, but IMO a couple of questionables (okay excepting Nick and Accumulator, with whose I can't quibble):the OP 1902 6d, cleaned and retonedthe 1834 2/6 , cleaned or dipped.the 1787 jaggy bit cleaned/dipped and retonedthe 1911 2/6the 1821 crownthat 1806 Colin G bitNot a chance. You mean you don't have one in top grade? Quote
Nick Posted October 23, 2013 Posted October 23, 2013 A nicely toned (IMO) 1820 halfcrown coming up at DNW in December. Quote
jaggy Posted October 23, 2013 Posted October 23, 2013 Uhhh, Nick how about bribing my silence by paying me off with the 1869 6d? LOLOK, I don't want to start a witch hunt with my hide the designated target, but IMO a couple of questionables (okay excepting Nick and Accumulator, with whose I can't quibble):the OP 1902 6d, cleaned and retonedthe 1834 2/6 , cleaned or dipped.the 1787 jaggy bit cleaned/dipped and retonedthe 1911 2/6the 1821 crownthat 1806 Colin G bitI'm not sure where I bought the 1787 6d ... but I think it was around 1984 from Joseph Lepczyk Auctions. In the time it has been in my possession it has not been dipped, cleaned or artificially toned. Quote
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