Rare Edward VII penny varieties

[Accumulator]

I've noticed an upward trend in prices for the rarer Edward VII penny varieties, usually in no better than F. Here are a couple of examples:

A 1909 2+E F169 in the forthcoming London Coins auction estimate £750-£1250

A 1908 1* + C F164A on eBay at £1,100

Open 3's in F are £60+, 1902 high tide's are getting pricier in top condition and all the other 1908 die pairings can be hard to find.

On top of this, the mid-reign dates with good strikes are particularly challenging.

Lot's to keep the collector busy, but Peckris will shortly arrive to say that the two 1905 varieties are the most boring ever!

[RLC35]

I've noticed an upward trend in prices for the rarer Edward VII penny varieties, usually in no better than F. Here are a couple of examples:

A 1909 2+E F169 in the forthcoming London Coins auction estimate £750-£1250

A 1908 1* + C F164A on eBay at £1,100

Open 3's in F are £60+, 1902 high tide's are getting pricier in top condition and all the other 1908 die pairings can be hard to find.

On top of this, the mid-reign dates with good strikes are particularly challenging.

Lot's to keep the collector busy, but Peckris will shortly arrive to say that the two 1905 varieties are the most boring ever!

The 1908 1d that is on ebay, doesn't look like the colon, after BRITT, is pointing to a tooth...it looks to me like it is pointing to gap. The line he has drawn looks crooked also. What do you think?

[pies]

His line is pissed

[Accumulator]

I'm sure his coin is an F158A. The colon adjacent to BRITT is slightly elongated/damaged but it's definitely not the 'normal' variety. Also the position of the I of IND to a gap is clear. The seller, Dave (OneWebby), knows his pennies well and I doubt would make a mistake.

Here's mine for comparison:

Edited February 2, 2013 by Accumulator

[pies]

Anyway we shouldnt be talking about Eddies pennies till monday

there mine (hopefully)

[1949threepence]

I've noticed an upward trend in prices for the rarer Edward VII penny varieties, usually in no better than F. Here are a couple of examples:

A 1909 2+E F169 in the forthcoming London Coins auction estimate £750-£1250

A 1908 1* + C F164A on eBay at £1,100

Open 3's in F are £60+, 1902 high tide's are getting pricier in top condition and all the other 1908 die pairings can be hard to find.

On top of this, the mid-reign dates with good strikes are particularly challenging.

Lot's to keep the collector busy, but Peckris will shortly arrive to say that the two 1905 varieties are the most boring ever!

1906 & 1907 are really difficult to get with good strikes. My 1906 has good lustre, and still looks worn

[RLC35]

I'm sure his coin is an F158A. The colon adjacent to BRITT is slightly elongated/damaged but it's definitely not the 'normal' variety. Also the position of the I of IND to a gap is clear. The seller, Dave (OneWebby), knows his pennies well and I doubt would make a mistake.

Here's mine for comparison:

Accumulator, Is the obverse you show from a 1903 open 3 (F158A), or a 1908 (F164A)? Thanks,

[Accumulator]

That's my 1908 F164A, Bob. Wish I could find a better one. I know one of our fellow members, on your side of the pond, has an EF example, so they do exist.

[Peckris]

I've noticed an upward trend in prices for the rarer Edward VII penny varieties, usually in no better than F. Here are a couple of examples:

A 1909 2+E F169 in the forthcoming London Coins auction estimate £750-£1250

A 1908 1* + C F164A on eBay at £1,100

Open 3's in F are £60+, 1902 high tide's are getting pricier in top condition and all the other 1908 die pairings can be hard to find.

On top of this, the mid-reign dates with good strikes are particularly challenging.

Lot's to keep the collector busy, but Peckris will shortly arrive to say that the two 1905 varieties are the most boring ever!

That's due to a combination of 1) the variety being really trivial and hard to spot, but more importantly 2) neither variety is remotely scarce!

1906 & 1907 are really difficult to get with good strikes. My 1906 has good lustre, and still looks worn

I've never been sure whether mine are merely 'average' or 'better than average' - as you say, they are difficult to find really strong strikes (these are 'blow ups' from scans as usual, so the quality of the picture is not good!). There's definitely signs of weakness on the '07 reverse - you can even see where the fields are 'dished - convex' and there is some ghosting, probably because the obverse is much stronger in hand than it looks. I remember sending off for a reasonably priced BU '06 some years ago, but when it arrived, the obverse strike was so weak I returned it and kept hold of this one.

Edited February 3, 2013 by Peckris

[RLC35]

That's my 1908 F164A, Bob. Wish I could find a better one. I know one of our fellow members, on your side of the pond, has an EF example, so they do exist.

The collector you mention on my side of the pond is probably Gary Schindler ("Bronze & Copper Collector" on the Forum)...he has one of everything it seems.....

[Accumulator]

I've never been sure whether mine are merely 'average' or 'better than average' - as you say, they are difficult to find really strong strikes (these are 'blow ups' from scans as usual, so the quality of the picture is not good!). There's definitely signs of weakness on the '07 reverse - you can even see where the fields are 'dished - convex' and there is some ghosting, probably because the obverse is much stronger in hand than it looks. I remember sending off for a reasonably priced BU '06 some years ago, but when it arrived, the obverse strike was so weak I returned it and kept hold of this one.

I think both your 1906 & 7 are definitely better than average. The reverses of mine are truly awful, with typically shallow relief and very little detail to Britannia. Every now and then I look for something better, in fact I think there may be one on eBay at the moment, but haven't got around to upgrading yet.

[Accumulator]

That's my 1908 F164A, Bob. Wish I could find a better one. I know one of our fellow members, on your side of the pond, has an EF example, so they do exist.

The collector you mention on my side of the pond is probably Gary Schindler ("Bronze & Copper Collector" on the Forum)...he has one of everything it seems.....

Yes indeed! I'm sure he must have some gaps... In fact I think I have a couple of model pennies he used to own but no longer collects. I may be wrong though.

[pies]

I've never been sure whether mine are merely 'average' or 'better than average' - as you say, they are difficult to find really strong strikes (these are 'blow ups' from scans as usual, so the quality of the picture is not good!). There's definitely signs of weakness on the '07 reverse - you can even see where the fields are 'dished - convex' and there is some ghosting, probably because the obverse is much stronger in hand than it looks. I remember sending off for a reasonably priced BU '06 some years ago, but when it arrived, the obverse strike was so weak I returned it and kept hold of this one.

I think both your 1906 & 7 are definitely better than average. The reverses of mine are truly awful, with typically shallow relief and very little detail to Britannia. Every now and then I look for something better, in fact I think there may be one on eBay at the moment, but haven't got around to upgrading yet.

Paws

[1949threepence]

I've never been sure whether mine are merely 'average' or 'better than average' - as you say, they are difficult to find really strong strikes (these are 'blow ups' from scans as usual, so the quality of the picture is not good!). There's definitely signs of weakness on the '07 reverse - you can even see where the fields are 'dished - convex' and there is some ghosting, probably because the obverse is much stronger in hand than it looks. I remember sending off for a reasonably priced BU '06 some years ago, but when it arrived, the obverse strike was so weak I returned it and kept hold of this one.

I think both your 1906 & 7 are definitely better than average. The reverses of mine are truly awful, with typically shallow relief and very little detail to Britannia. Every now and then I look for something better, in fact I think there may be one on eBay at the moment, but haven't got around to upgrading yet.

My 1906 can be seen below. Although lustrous,. the reverse looks barely VF !!!

[pies]

I missed out on a BU 1905. Had a great strike as well. Went for £103 my max was £100 which i thought was top end

[Bronze & Copper Collector]

That's my 1908 F164A, Bob. Wish I could find a better one. I know one of our fellow members, on your side of the pond, has an EF example, so they do exist.

The collector you mention on my side of the pond is probably Gary Schindler ("Bronze & Copper Collector" on the Forum)...he has one of everything it seems.....

Yes indeed! I'm sure he must have some gaps... In fact I think I have a couple of model pennies he used to own but no longer collects. I may be wrong though.

I believe that you do.... I gave up on the models, and sold them all, including the few RARE ones that I had....

Also, I do have several gaps in my collection, although I did recently acquire the 1870 with dot under the Y, RLC35 has a much nicer specimen though....

Here is my F-164A, I believe it is the coin in question....

[Accumulator]

I believe that you do.... I gave up on the models, and sold them all, including the few RARE ones that I had....

Also, I do have several gaps in my collection, although I did recently acquire the 1870 with dot under the Y, RLC35 has a much nicer specimen though....

Here is my F-164A, I believe it is the coin in question....

Hi Gary, I only picked up the dated 1844 and the 'PENNEY' misspelt models, which I believe were yours. I had the chance to buy the all-silver model too, but missed out on that one. Really lovely coins!

Your 1* (F164A) certainly puts mine to shame. I've never seen a better one.

While on the subject of Edward VII, do you have better than F versions of the 1903, open 3, or the 1909 F169 (which Freeman has as R9, but is way rarer)? A fellow forum member has an NVF Open 3 and I'm sure a VF example appeared on eBay some time ago, but otherwise everything else seems to be low grade.

Edited February 6, 2013 by Accumulator

[RLC35]

That's my 1908 F164A, Bob. Wish I could find a better one. I know one of our fellow members, on your side of the pond, has an EF example, so they do exist.

The collector you mention on my side of the pond is probably Gary Schindler ("Bronze & Copper Collector" on the Forum)...he has one of everything it seems.....

Yes indeed! I'm sure he must have some gaps... In fact I think I have a couple of model pennies he used to own but no longer collects. I may be wrong though.

I believe that you do.... I gave up on the models, and sold them all, including the few RARE ones that I had....

Also, I do have several gaps in my collection, although I did recently acquire the 1870 with dot under the Y, RLC35 has a much nicer specimen though....

Here is my F-164A, I believe it is the coin in question....

Nice 1908 Gary...also great pictures, I wish I had your expertise in photography!

[scott]

I want all these.

i think we all have something rare here. which is fun

[Bronze & Copper Collector]

I believe that you do.... I gave up on the models, and sold them all, including the few RARE ones that I had....

Also, I do have several gaps in my collection, although I did recently acquire the 1870 with dot under the Y, RLC35 has a much nicer specimen though....

Here is my F-164A, I believe it is the coin in question....

Hi Gary, I only picked up the dated 1844 and the 'PENNEY' misspelt models, which I believe were yours. I had the chance to buy the all-silver model too, but missed out on that one. Really lovely coins!

Your 1* (F164A) certainly puts mine to shame. I've never seen a better one.

While on the subject of Edward VII, do you have better than F versions of the 1903, open 3, or the 1909 F169 (which Freeman has as R9, but is way rarer)? A fellow forum member has an NVF Open 3 and I'm sure a VF example appeared on eBay some time ago, but otherwise everything else seems to be low grade.

Here is my F-169 - I've been told about the 3rd or 4th finest known...

1909 F-169

1903 open 3 in the next post

Edited February 6, 2013 by Bronze & Copper Collector

[Bronze & Copper Collector]

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Edited February 6, 2013 by Bronze & Copper Collector

[Bronze & Copper Collector]

I currently have two 1903 open 3's in my possession, both essentially in about the same condition.... Eventually, I'll probably part with one, along with some other duplicates that I have.....

SPECIMEN 1

Edited February 6, 2013 by Bronze & Copper Collector

[Bronze & Copper Collector]

SPECIMEN 2

[Gary1000]

Here's mine.

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[Gary1000]

Here's mine.

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Well that didn't work how I expected. You will have to scroll down to my post where I attacked the picture.