chris Posted March 30, 2012 Posted March 30, 2012 Morning alli havnt been here for a good while but im back!!!! i have aquired a George II 1723 shilling with the french arms at the date, instead of the Engish armsdoes anyone know the reason why this was done as i cannot find any information regarding thisthanks all Quote
argentumandcoins Posted March 30, 2012 Posted March 30, 2012 Morning alli havnt been here for a good while but im back!!!! i have aquired a George II 1723 shilling with the french arms at the date, instead of the Engish armsdoes anyone know the reason why this was done as i cannot find any information regarding thisthanks allJust an error Chris, a scarce error though. Quote
chris Posted March 30, 2012 Author Posted March 30, 2012 Morning alli havnt been here for a good while but im back!!!! i have aquired a George II 1723 shilling with the french arms at the date, instead of the Engish armsdoes anyone know the reason why this was done as i cannot find any information regarding thisthanks allJust an error Chris, a scarce error though.ahh an error, just looking, i made an error as well George I not II also the ssc is actually css Quote
TomGoodheart Posted March 30, 2012 Posted March 30, 2012 ahh an error, just looking, i made an error as well George I not II also the ssc is actually cssYeah, I never figured out why that is. The initials are after all of the South Seas Company, whose (Indonesian) silver was used to make the coins. But C SS it reads ...Nice find! Quote
chris Posted March 30, 2012 Author Posted March 30, 2012 ahh an error, just looking, i made an error as well George I not II also the ssc is actually cssYeah, I never figured out why that is. The initials are after all of the South Seas Company, whose (Indonesian) silver was used to make the coins. But C SS it reads ...Nice find!thanksits a very interesting piece, me thinks that the inside of the coin was inscribed correct including what should be ss c but the outer lettering was 90 degrees off the mark Quote
chris Posted March 30, 2012 Author Posted March 30, 2012 Can we ask what you paid for it?well...il say it was less than £100wasnt described as a french arms though and the obverse does have some really old scratches to the bust only but i suppose it is the reverse that is more important Quote
chris Posted March 30, 2012 Author Posted March 30, 2012 (edited) Can we ask what you paid for it? Edited March 30, 2012 by chris Quote
Peckris Posted March 30, 2012 Posted March 30, 2012 Morning alli havnt been here for a good while but im back!!!! i have aquired a George II 1723 shilling with the french arms at the date, instead of the Engish armsdoes anyone know the reason why this was done as i cannot find any information regarding thisthanks allJust an error Chris, a scarce error though.ahh an error, just looking, i made an error as well George I not II also the ssc is actually cssNo, that IS SSC - the initials stand for South Sea Company. Quote
Rob Posted March 30, 2012 Posted March 30, 2012 (edited) ahh an error, just looking, i made an error as well George I not II also the ssc is actually cssYeah, I never figured out why that is. The initials are after all of the South Seas Company, whose (Indonesian) silver was used to make the coins. But C SS it reads ...Nice find!thanksits a very interesting piece, me thinks that the inside of the coin was inscribed correct including what should be ss c but the outer lettering was 90 degrees off the markCSS or SSC depends on how you read it. With the date at 12 o'clock, the French Arms at date reads SSC across the top. On the regular one, starting at 12 o'clock and reading clockwise it also reads SS C SS C. Was the C/SS a recut die or just an error correction? That needs to be checked out.Is the die axis inverted as normal for coins of this era? I ask because we can deduce the die was made with a square spiggot from the William III transposed errors, one of which has the date at 9 o'clock, but in that case the only arms in the correct position are the French ones. Edited March 30, 2012 by Rob Quote
azda Posted March 30, 2012 Posted March 30, 2012 Well, here's another.......Graded as VF (not by me) but may help the cause Quote
Paulus Posted March 30, 2012 Posted March 30, 2012 Well, here's another.......Graded as VF (not by me) but may help the causeIs this major variety listed anywhere? Quote
azda Posted March 30, 2012 Posted March 30, 2012 Well, here's another.......Graded as VF (not by me) but may help the causeIs this major variety listed anywhere?ESC 1177 (R2 Rated = Very Rare) and Spink 3647 Quote
chris Posted March 30, 2012 Author Posted March 30, 2012 Morning alli havnt been here for a good while but im back!!!! i have aquired a George II 1723 shilling with the french arms at the date, instead of the Engish armsdoes anyone know the reason why this was done as i cannot find any information regarding thisthanks allJust an error Chris, a scarce error though.ahh an error, just looking, i made an error as well George I not II also the ssc is actually cssNo, that IS SSC - the initials stand for South Sea Company.sorry Peckris, what i meant is that the normal coin starts on the first quarter on SS or South Sea.The second quarter display,s a letter C for Companyif you were to read my example from the date as a normal example, it,s then read C, then SS Quote
chris Posted March 30, 2012 Author Posted March 30, 2012 Is the die axis inverted as normal for coins of this era? I ask because we can deduce the die was made with a square spiggot from the William III transposed errors, one of which has the date at 9 o'clock, but in that case the only arms in the correct position are the French ones. Quote
argentumandcoins Posted March 31, 2012 Posted March 31, 2012 Well, here's another.......Graded as VF (not by me) but may help the causeIs this major variety listed anywhere?ESC 1177 (R2 Rated = Very Rare) and Spink 3647I think Rayner was a little optimistic on his rarity rating for both this and the C/SS variety. I have sold 3 of each in the last 5 years and I didn't go out of my way to find any of them. Quote
Peckris Posted March 31, 2012 Posted March 31, 2012 Morning alli havnt been here for a good while but im back!!!! i have aquired a George II 1723 shilling with the french arms at the date, instead of the Engish armsdoes anyone know the reason why this was done as i cannot find any information regarding thisthanks allJust an error Chris, a scarce error though.ahh an error, just looking, i made an error as well George I not II also the ssc is actually cssNo, that IS SSC - the initials stand for South Sea Company.sorry Peckris, what i meant is that the normal coin starts on the first quarter on SS or South Sea.The second quarter display,s a letter C for Companyif you were to read my example from the date as a normal example, it,s then read C, then SSAh, it depends on how you read what has happened. If you decide that only the sceptres have been rotated through 90º CCW, then you're right - the SS C are in the wrong place. However if you assume that the entire centre design has been rotated with respect to the legend and date (which is the more logical assumption), then that includes the SS C which are therefore in the correct relative position. In other words, they are correct in relation to the English arms, rather than the date. Quote
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