Ebay's Worst Offerings

[Gary1000]

Not a laugh, by any means, but for the well-heeled shilling collector, there's a 1798 Dorien and Magens shilling on eBay - a snip at £39,500!!!

http://www.ebay.co.u...=item589e27c245

Glendinings sale on Wed October 30th 1974 sold one, lot 356 graded as "practically mint state" and sold for 1500 quid hammer

Mmm, sounds good now, but back then I bought my first house for £6000, so £1500 was quite a price.

£1500 in 1974, that's probably around £40,000 now so it wasn't much of an investment

According to an inflation calculator website, it's actually just over £15k in today's terms!

Are but a quarter of a house is about £40,000

[TomGoodheart]

You can fix the price range thing, Tom. Left hand side of the search page, look down for the Price bar, and hit customise. Then you'll get a little dialog with a box in it where you can type your range. The old boxes are just one layer further in.

Yes, the search terms do mash up with the top of the results - not sure what we can do about that!

I tried the customise. I wanted to search between £0.99 and £5000, but it just flips back to £52-£620 as soon as I stop typing. Now it may be that currently there are only items for my particular search priced above £52 and as soon as someone adds something below that the search range will change to reflect this. But if that's the case, it should say so.

And I still think I shoud be able to set it to whatever I want, even if there are no items for those prices (though I'd have expected at least one new item below £10), otherwise why give me the option?

The other suspicion I have is that some (or all) of my filter terms are being ignored. I know the wildcard option was to be removed, but I have a number of full words I want excluded from my search and yet seem to be getting cr*p in my results I'd hoped not to see ...

Oh, well. Same old same old of companies that insist on giving you what they want, on the premise it's 'better' when it's actually not what their customers want or need.

Edited April 9, 2013 by TomGoodheart

[Coinery]

Wow! 370786722066

A really nasty split along the inner beading at 9 O'Clock obverse! Good grade, but could you live with the split? Not me!

[Coinery]

Sorry it's just numbers, but this really cheered!

190819665797

[TomGoodheart]

Sorry it's just numbers, but this really cheered!

190819665797

LOL

190819665797

and

370786722066

[TomGoodheart]

Yes, the search terms do mash up with the top of the results - not sure what we can do about that!

Actually, I've just tried viewing it in Internet Explorer (IE8) with Compatability View (which allows you to view websites designed for out of date browsers(!) and is supposed to correct out of place menus, images or text) switched on and .. problem resolved.

So I guess ebay need to work on their coding. Along with everything else, that is!

In the meantime, I've tweaked my search terms a bit. Now it's just "charles -diana -darwin -wedding -di -prince -lindbergh -dickens -smith -brooke -reales -medal -schultz -italie -france -gaulle -franc -french -spanish -Françaises -blanc -Spain -Francs -bridge -korun"

Though quite how that is an improvement on wildcards, I'm not sure...

Edited April 9, 2013 by TomGoodheart

[declanwmagee]

In the meantime, I've tweaked my search terms a bit. Now it's just "charles -diana -darwin -wedding -di -prince -lindbergh -dickens -smith -brooke -reales -medal -schultz -italie -france -gaulle -franc -french -spanish -Françaises -blanc -Spain -Francs -bridge -korun"

Though quite how that is an improvement on wildcards, I'm not sure...

Ha!

These are my excludes...

-(80th,1p,1967,1982,1984,2004,churchill,cover,doubles,gold,2012,hammered,20p,£1,trade)

-(1971,1972,1977,2002,10,diana,festival,fifty,india,iom,jersey,malaya,medal,pound,royal,token,twenty)

-(20p,50,50p,£2,£5,1981,2010,2011,decimal,guernsey,man,mother,olympic,proof,sovereign,straits,tokens)

Not to mention about 500 sellers...

[Justin]

I know I am a new to this but is this guy serious?

WTF!

Made me laugh!

Edited April 11, 2013 by Justin

[DaveG38]

I know I am a new to this but is this guy serious?

WTF!

Made me laugh!

The laugh is in his ebay name!!

[Coinery]

I know I am a new to this but is this guy serious?

WTF!

Made me laugh!

Maybe hoping a scrap metal merchant was watching?

[Rob]

A grain of truth in the description. The main feature which is the corrosion is clear and it has been honed to a fine point in the various places as the crystals have grown.

[declanwmagee]

Ah, yes. Bernie. Sells under about half a dozen different names but always uses the same unique captions on his photos.

[azda]

Not a laugh, by any means, but for the well-heeled shilling collector, there's a 1798 Dorien and Magens shilling on eBay - a snip at £39,500!!!

http://www.ebay.co.u...=item589e27c245

Glendinings sale on Wed October 30th 1974 sold one, lot 356 graded as "practically mint state" and sold for 1500 quid hammer

Mmm, sounds good now, but back then I bought my first house for £6000, so £1500 was quite a price.

£1500 in 1974, that's probably around £40,000 now so it wasn't much of an investment

On Tony Claytons website the 1798 is valued at £18,000 in UNC!

[Gary1000]

Not a laugh, by any means, but for the well-heeled shilling collector, there's a 1798 Dorien and Magens shilling on eBay - a snip at £39,500!!!

http://www.ebay.co.u...=item589e27c245

Glendinings sale on Wed October 30th 1974 sold one, lot 356 graded as "practically mint state" and sold for 1500 quid hammer

Mmm, sounds good now, but back then I bought my first house for £6000, so £1500 was quite a price.

£1500 in 1974, that's probably around £40,000 now so it wasn't much of an investment

On Tony Claytons website the 1798 is valued at £18,000 in UNC!

The point I was trying to make is that you would have been better off putting the money into a house. If in 1974 a house was £6000 so £1500 would be 1/4 of a house. Now in 2013 the average value of a house is about £160,000 so 1/4 would be £40,000 making £18,000 look like a pretty poor investment.

[Gary1000]

Not a laugh, by any means, but for the well-heeled shilling collector, there's a 1798 Dorien and Magens shilling on eBay - a snip at £39,500!!!

http://www.ebay.co.u...=item589e27c245

Glendinings sale on Wed October 30th 1974 sold one, lot 356 graded as "practically mint state" and sold for 1500 quid hammer

Mmm, sounds good now, but back then I bought my first house for £6000, so £1500 was quite a price.

£1500 in 1974, that's probably around £40,000 now so it wasn't much of an investment

On Tony Claytons website the 1798 is valued at £18,000 in UNC!

The point I was trying to make is that you would have been better off putting the money into a house. If in 1974 a house was £6000 so £1500 would be 1/4 of a house. Now in 2013 the average value of a house is about £160,000 so 1/4 would be £40,000 making £18,000 look like a pretty poor investment.

I should have said in my area, the UK average is nearer £240k so that an even poorer investment

Edited April 15, 2013 by Gary1000

[Rob]

That's because many of the housing market constraints were lifted by the easy access to mortgages whereas the coin market still operates in the same fashion that it did fifty years ago. More or less without exception, people do not borrow to buy coins - certainly not as a collector. i.e they are paid for with ready cash deposits. Houses on the other hand are purchased partly with debt, so that a fairer assessment would be to compare the average net asset value of the individuals' houses, i.e subtract the value of the mortgages outstanding from the retail value of the housing stock. I don't know what the numbers are and don't have time to do the research, but I'm certain the divide will narrow quite sharply. Could it even swing the other way?

[Coinery]

That's because many of the housing market constraints were lifted by the easy access to mortgages whereas the coin market still operates in the same fashion that it did fifty years ago. More or less without exception, people do not borrow to buy coins - certainly not as a collector. i.e they are paid for with ready cash deposits. Houses on the other hand are purchased partly with debt, so that a fairer assessment would be to compare the average net asset value of the individuals' houses, i.e subtract the value of the mortgages outstanding from the retail value of the housing stock. I don't know what the numbers are and don't have time to do the research, but I'm certain the divide will narrow quite sharply. Could it even swing the other way?

I know quite a few professional workers with remortgages that have them in a neutral (at best) situation, after 10-15yrs of paying their mortgages. I even know of one person who took the endowment route in the 80's, and were massively let down by the second component, to the degree that a couple of the apparently 'usual' remortgages has left them with negative equity after a 30yr spell of home ownership, and crippling repayments! The greatest irony is they still view themselves amongst the proud elite, as a homeowner?

A very interesting family of sheep is this our great and proud society!

[Rob]

That's because many of the housing market constraints were lifted by the easy access to mortgages whereas the coin market still operates in the same fashion that it did fifty years ago. More or less without exception, people do not borrow to buy coins - certainly not as a collector. i.e they are paid for with ready cash deposits. Houses on the other hand are purchased partly with debt, so that a fairer assessment would be to compare the average net asset value of the individuals' houses, i.e subtract the value of the mortgages outstanding from the retail value of the housing stock. I don't know what the numbers are and don't have time to do the research, but I'm certain the divide will narrow quite sharply. Could it even swing the other way?

I know quite a few professional workers with remortgages that have them in a neutral (at best) situation, after 10-15yrs of paying their mortgages. I even know of one person who took the endowment route in the 80's, and were massively let down by the second component, to the degree that a couple of the apparently 'usual' remortgages has left them with negative equity after a 30yr spell of home ownership, and crippling repayments! The greatest irony is they still view themselves amongst the proud elite, as a homeowner?

A very interesting family of sheep is this our great and proud society!

The only change to the mortgage I ever contemplated and did was to almost pay it off as soon as, leaving 50p outstanding to ensure they looked after the deeds. Best thing I ever did and one of life's unforgettable pleasurable moments. Which is why when the politicians were in the dock for falsifying expenses with one claiming he had forgotten it was paid off, my obvious reaction was complete and utter

Edited April 15, 2013 by Rob

[Peckris]

That's because many of the housing market constraints were lifted by the easy access to mortgages whereas the coin market still operates in the same fashion that it did fifty years ago. More or less without exception, people do not borrow to buy coins - certainly not as a collector. i.e they are paid for with ready cash deposits. Houses on the other hand are purchased partly with debt, so that a fairer assessment would be to compare the average net asset value of the individuals' houses, i.e subtract the value of the mortgages outstanding from the retail value of the housing stock. I don't know what the numbers are and don't have time to do the research, but I'm certain the divide will narrow quite sharply. Could it even swing the other way?

I know quite a few professional workers with remortgages that have them in a neutral (at best) situation, after 10-15yrs of paying their mortgages. I even know of one person who took the endowment route in the 80's, and were massively let down by the second component, to the degree that a couple of the apparently 'usual' remortgages has left them with negative equity after a 30yr spell of home ownership, and crippling repayments! The greatest irony is they still view themselves amongst the proud elite, as a homeowner?

A very interesting family of sheep is this our great and proud society!

The only change to the mortgage I ever contemplated and did was to almost pay it off as soon as, leaving 50p outstanding to ensure they looked after the deeds. Best thing I ever did and one of life's unforgettable pleasurable moments. Which is why when the politicians were in the dock for falsifying expenses with one claiming he had forgotten it was paid off, my obvious reaction was complete and utter

I went down the "low cost endowment" route in the mid-80s too. The policy would not have paid the mortgage off, but considering I went freelance in the 90s and paid it off, then made the policy "paid up" halfway through, the resulting maturity was a nice little earner.

[Coinery]

That's because many of the housing market constraints were lifted by the easy access to mortgages whereas the coin market still operates in the same fashion that it did fifty years ago. More or less without exception, people do not borrow to buy coins - certainly not as a collector. i.e they are paid for with ready cash deposits. Houses on the other hand are purchased partly with debt, so that a fairer assessment would be to compare the average net asset value of the individuals' houses, i.e subtract the value of the mortgages outstanding from the retail value of the housing stock. I don't know what the numbers are and don't have time to do the research, but I'm certain the divide will narrow quite sharply. Could it even swing the other way?

I know quite a few professional workers with remortgages that have them in a neutral (at best) situation, after 10-15yrs of paying their mortgages. I even know of one person who took the endowment route in the 80's, and were massively let down by the second component, to the degree that a couple of the apparently 'usual' remortgages has left them with negative equity after a 30yr spell of home ownership, and crippling repayments! The greatest irony is they still view themselves amongst the proud elite, as a homeowner?

A very interesting family of sheep is this our great and proud society!

The only change to the mortgage I ever contemplated and did was to almost pay it off as soon as, leaving 50p outstanding to ensure they looked after the deeds. Best thing I ever did and one of life's unforgettable pleasurable moments. Which is why when the politicians were in the dock for falsifying expenses with one claiming he had forgotten it was paid off, my obvious reaction was complete and utter

I went down the "low cost endowment" route in the mid-80s too. The policy would not have paid the mortgage off, but considering I went freelance in the 90s and paid it off, then made the policy "paid up" halfway through, the resulting maturity was a nice little earner.

Very nice too, PK! Always good to have these little earners for the great passion!

And that's a great photo of the obverse, Rob! I'm surprised you didn't flip it over with your boot and have a go at the reverse?

[Rob]

I have to confess I nicked the image, so no reverse.

BTW, these make for a wonderful discus if you obey a simple rule. Just be careful where you throw it and remember, crusty side in the palm of your hand.

[Peckris]

I have to confess I nicked the image, so no reverse.

BTW, these make for a wonderful discus if you obey a simple rule. Just be careful where you throw it and remember, crusty side in the palm of your hand.

The second part of the rule is MOST important! The first part isn't really

[Coinery]

I have to confess I nicked the image, so no reverse.

BTW, these make for a wonderful discus if you obey a simple rule. Just be careful where you throw it and remember, crusty side in the palm of your hand.

Really takes me back, that does! Hard to believe we would actually throw them at each other as kids!

[Rob]

I have to confess I nicked the image, so no reverse.

BTW, these make for a wonderful discus if you obey a simple rule. Just be careful where you throw it and remember, crusty side in the palm of your hand.

The second part of the rule is MOST important! The first part isn't really

Correct. The other way round leads to somewhat erratic launch results because you lose friction.

Edited April 16, 2013 by Rob

[Rob]

I have to confess I nicked the image, so no reverse.

BTW, these make for a wonderful discus if you obey a simple rule. Just be careful where you throw it and remember, crusty side in the palm of your hand.

Really takes me back, that does! Hard to believe we would actually throw them at each other as kids!

It's not hard to believe at all. No xBoxes or play stations then, this was DIY fun based on whatever was to hand. I hit someone in the head with one when I was about 12. It didn't matter though because we were messing about on his father's farm, so he smelt of cowsh*t anyway.