Gouby BP1890Aa 1890 with low 90 in date

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Penny 1890 with low 90 in date, 14 teeth date spacing, Gouby BP1890Aa VG/Near Fine, Rare

I have seen this variety described as rare and or scarce. I found one BP1890Aa  inside a lot as part of a whitman folder.

I messaged the seller to ask for Obverse/Reverse images of the 1881 H from the folder to check to see if its a 9+M which obviously it wasnt.. I cant decide if the asking price for the folder is a resonable price given the only coin of interest in the folder is the BP1890Aa. I saw one low grade example of the BP1890Aa sold at LCA for £60.

The seller is asking £40 for the album. How rare or scarce is the BP1890Aa please ? I have been searching for one for a while now without any luck.

 

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In another post on this forum I found the following information;

1903 open 3 37,300

1908 F164a 55,550

1909 F169 23,200

1911 Gouby X 188,000

1926 ME 107,750

1946 dot 384,200

In which book or source of information could I find these figures for all types if it even exists?

Thanks

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[blakeyboy]

I'd love to know how those figures were obtained.

I got my 1890 'low 90' courtesy of a tip off from Mike Hopkins, a rather nice humorous gentleman ( "1949 Threepence" )

who frequented this site until we lost him a couple of years ago.

 

I wish we'd met.

[jelida]

35 minutes ago, absence of uniformity said:

In another post on this forum I found the following information;

1903 open 3 37,300

1908 F164a 55,550

1909 F169 23,200

1911 Gouby X 188,000

1926 ME 107,750

1946 dot 384,200

In which book or source of information could I find these figures for all types if it even exists?

Thanks

These figures are taken from a series of articles published in ‘Coin Monthly’ in August, September and November 1972 and possibly other months as my photocopy only covers up to 1946; ‘Major Varieties of UK pennies 1902 - 1967 giving estimated mintages ‘ by V R Court. I probably have the originals in my workshop, and could check over the next few days. 
There are also articles in ‘Coin Monthly’ in 1976 and 1977 by A R Alexander which you may find interesting , though like the above mostly dealing with 20th century pennies. I also have a photocopy of an article by Mr Alexander where he discusses a 1903/2 penny he has recently acquired. Not heard of since, afaik. Again I am likely to have the original magazines in store and will see if I can find them.

I would think that the 1890 penny is worth the money if it floats your boat.

 

Jerry

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26 minutes ago, blakeyboy said:

I'd love to know how those figures were obtained.

I got my 1890 'low 90' courtesy of a tip off from Mike Hopkins, a rather nice humorous gentleman ( "1949 Threepence" )

who frequented this site until we lost him a couple of years ago.

 

I wish we'd met.

Yes it would be rather interesting to know how it was calculated.

I'm really sorry to hear that. I just posted to a post without looking at the date talking about the 1915 recessed ear which I beleive Mike Hopkins started and Paddy informed of his passing. RIP @1949threepence

thanks.

 

 

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32 minutes ago, jelida said:

These figures are taken from a series of articles published in ‘Coin Monthly’ in August, September and November 1972 and possibly other months as my photocopy only covers up to 1946; ‘Major Varieties of UK pennies 1902 - 1967 giving estimated mintages ‘ by V R Court. I probably have the originals in my workshop, and could check over the next few days. 
There are also articles in ‘Coin Monthly’ in 1976 and 1977 by A R Alexander which you may find interesting , though like the above mostly dealing with 20th century pennies. I also have a photocopy of an article by Mr Alexander where he discusses a 1903/2 penny he has recently acquired. Not heard of since, afaik. Again I am likely to have the original magazines in store and will see if I can find them.

I would think that the 1890 penny is worth the money if it floats your boat.

 

Jerry

If it's not too much trouble I would be interested to see any information. I appreciate that thank you very much.

Did V R Court or A R Alexander write/publish any books? I will have a look see if I can find anything.

That would be my single biggest purchse at £40 for the folder to obtain the BP1890Aa. Having already checked the 1881 H in the folder is not a 9+M Im not sure many other nice surprises could be found within. The reason I'm asking is because Im going by the example sold at LCA for £60 and I dont know if this value for that grade is high or low for the type I'm assuming high. As I say I have been searching for one for a while now without any success. Although I have not looked for an attributed example.

 

Many thanks

[jelida]

21 minutes ago, absence of uniformity said:

The reason I'm asking is because Im going by the example sold at LCA for £60 and I dont know if this value for that grade is high or low for the type I'm assuming high. As I say I have been searching for one for a while now without any success. Although I have not looked for an attributed example.

 

Many thanks

Don’t forget that with commission and postage the purchaser will have paid over £80. But these sort of scarcities rarely appear on the market attributed and most of us find them unattributed at coin fairs, Ebay etc when prices will tend to be lower. The LCA example is the only advertised example I can recall. The value is only what two interested buyers would offer on the day. Would I pay £80 for the LCA coin? Probably not, as a better one will turn up eventually. But £40? Maybe. The 1903 ‘open 3’ and 1911 ‘Gouby X’ are available in low grade much more freely now than twenty years ago, and the prices have fallen dramatically. But for VF and higher there will be a lot of competition;  most of these C20th varieties are only really rare and valuable in the higher grades. Low grade ‘H’ and ‘KN’s are cheaper now than they were when I collected as a kid in the ‘70’s.

I will try and scan the articles I mention.

Jerry

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1 hour ago, jelida said:

These figures are taken from a series of articles published in ‘Coin Monthly’ in August, September and November 1972 and possibly other months as my photocopy only covers up to 1946; ‘Major Varieties of UK pennies 1902 - 1967 giving estimated mintages ‘ by V R Court. I probably have the originals in my workshop, and could check over the next few days. 
There are also articles in ‘Coin Monthly’ in 1976 and 1977 by A R Alexander which you may find interesting , though like the above mostly dealing with 20th century pennies. I also have a photocopy of an article by Mr Alexander where he discusses a 1903/2 penny he has recently acquired. Not heard of since, afaik. Again I am likely to have the original magazines in store and will see if I can find them.

I would think that the 1890 penny is worth the money if it floats your boat.

 

Jerry

I was just looking at the 1893 3 over 2 Gouby BP1893B to try and learn what to look out for concerning the 1903 3 over 2 and I can't really see anything obvious concerning an underlying 2. Surely somebody would of come across something by now?

[jelida]

1 minute ago, absence of uniformity said:

I was just looking at the 1893 3 over 2 Gouby BP1893B to try and learn what to look out for concerning the 1903 3 over 2 and I can't really see anything obvious concerning an underlying 2. Surely somebody would have come across something by now?

Yes, I would have to doubt the existence of a 1903/2 penny at present particularly as the author didn’t show a photograph. I’ll have to find the original article-it might have been an April Fool!

Jerry

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5 minutes ago, jelida said:

Don’t forget that with commission and postage the purchaser will have paid over £80. But these sort of scarcities rarely appear on the market attributed and most of us find them unattributed at coin fairs, Ebay etc when prices will tend to be lower. The LCA example is the only advertised example I can recall. The value is only what two interested buyers would offer on the day. Would I pay £80 for the LCA coin? Probably not, as a better one will turn up eventually. But £40? Maybe. The 1903 ‘open 3’ and 1911 ‘Gouby X’ are available in low grade much more freely now than twenty years ago, and the prices have fallen dramatically. But for VF and higher there will be a lot of competition;  most of these C20th varieties are only really rare and valuable in the higher grades. Low grade ‘H’ and ‘KN’s are cheaper now than they were when I collected as a kid in the ‘70’s.

I will try and scan the articles I mention.

Jerry

Makes sense thank you for explaining this. 

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16 minutes ago, jelida said:

Don’t forget that with commission and postage the purchaser will have paid over £80. But these sort of scarcities rarely appear on the market attributed and most of us find them unattributed at coin fairs, Ebay etc when prices will tend to be lower. The LCA example is the only advertised example I can recall. The value is only what two interested buyers would offer on the day. Would I pay £80 for the LCA coin? Probably not, as a better one will turn up eventually. But £40? Maybe. The 1903 ‘open 3’ and 1911 ‘Gouby X’ are available in low grade much more freely now than twenty years ago, and the prices have fallen dramatically. But for VF and higher there will be a lot of competition;  most of these C20th varieties are only really rare and valuable in the higher grades. Low grade ‘H’ and ‘KN’s are cheaper now than they were when I collected as a kid in the ‘70’s.

I will try and scan the articles I mention.

Jerry

The coin on the right is the LCA coin. The image of the other coin looks washed out its just the poor quality images and I think it would look much the same as the LCA coin.

If you can find the scans great thanks !