DaveG38 Posted September 17, 2022 Posted September 17, 2022 12 hours ago, Zo Arms said: Evening all. Mr Freeman gave the above coin, F272, 4 + F a rarity rating of R17. 51-100. Dracott gives it a 6 rating, which means extremely rare. 5 known to him at the time of his article. Given that Freeman admits that his scale is an educated guess. And that some years have passed since Dracott wrote his findings, does anyone have a rough idea of the quantity of F272's known please? London coins have only sold 2, that I can see.. I have one in my collection. F grade only. 1 Quote
Martinminerva Posted September 17, 2022 Posted September 17, 2022 I have owned two of these. Perhaps R17 is a tad generous?? Nevertheless, still a scarce pairing. 1 Quote
copper123 Posted September 17, 2022 Posted September 17, 2022 At a guess freeman looks about right it could easy be 51-100 though after what collectors have said above 1 Quote
Zo Arms Posted September 17, 2022 Posted September 17, 2022 Thanks. Maybe he is about right then. I only ask as I've just found another one. Awaiting delivery. Graded EF. Was thinking that if I'm fortunate to have 2 then maybe they were not so rare after all. It's the 1956 4 + C that's eluding me. Not hide not hair anywhere. 1 Quote
Martinminerva Posted September 17, 2022 Posted September 17, 2022 39 minutes ago, Zo Arms said: It's the 1956 4 + C that's eluding me. Not hide not hair anywhere. Agreed! I have been looking in vain for this pairing for years! I only know of four specimens that have been documented. Quote
copper123 Posted September 17, 2022 Posted September 17, 2022 (edited) The main trouble with halfpennies is they were not hoarded as much as pennies so there are relatively few around the victoria halfpennies also suffered from heavy usage and few have even clear dates these days . A good halfpenny collection is even harder to put together than pennies because at least there are still quite a few pennies around , there again there are more varieties in the penny series mostly of 1860 , 1861 and 1862 Edited September 17, 2022 by copper123 Quote
DaveG38 Posted September 17, 2022 Posted September 17, 2022 10 minutes ago, copper123 said: The main trouble with halfpennies is they were not hoarded as much as pennies so there are relatively few around the victoria halfpennies also suffered from heavy usage and few have even clear dates these days . A good halfpenny collection is even harder to put together than pennies because at least there are still quite a few pennies around , there again there are more varieties in the penny series mostly of 1860 , 1861 and 1862 Personally, I prefer halfpennies. There are plenty of varieties, especially in the 1700s series, and, unlike pennies, they go back to 1673, at least in copper form. Quote
Peckris 2 Posted September 17, 2022 Posted September 17, 2022 1 hour ago, copper123 said: The main trouble with halfpennies is they were not hoarded as much as pennies so there are relatively few around the victoria halfpennies also suffered from heavy usage and few have even clear dates these days . Also, they were demonetised a good 2 years before pennies. Quote
Bronze & Copper Collector Posted September 17, 2022 Posted September 17, 2022 1956 4 & c reverse 3 Quote
Bronze & Copper Collector Posted September 17, 2022 Posted September 17, 2022 1956 4 & c obverse 3 Quote
Zo Arms Posted September 17, 2022 Posted September 17, 2022 (edited) Nice one Gary. I knew you'd have one. 🙂Did it take long to find? I've been searching 6 years plus. 475's I've found 6. 473's. I've found 3. R3 and R5. Edited September 17, 2022 by Zo Arms Edit 2 Quote
Zo Arms Posted October 13, 2022 Posted October 13, 2022 On 10/11/2022 at 1:34 PM, DrLarry said: This one is a follow on of Reverse B subvariety HAIF in this the blockage of the L in HALF also occurs in the H with the bar missing and the A bar blocked Many of the letters are also blocked n the obverse and numerous breaks in the die occur especially through the O . It appears to one of the crooked 1 in the date group Satisfying to see another 4+B HAIF. Mine is shown on this thread, back in Jan this year. Dracott only lists the 2+B. A decent collection of over strikes there Larry. Thank you for showing them. Quote
mick1271 Posted October 14, 2022 Posted October 14, 2022 On 10/12/2022 at 9:39 PM, DrLarry said: 1860 T over T in BRITT first T I will add these images tomorrow T over T , but not a Halfpenny . Its on an F10 Penny. 1 Quote
mrbadexample Posted October 14, 2022 Author Posted October 14, 2022 52 minutes ago, DrLarry said: reverse E continued : F274 with obverse 5 with an 8 to the side of the 8 and the 6 over a 6 or it is possible that the 8 is over a 6 and the 6 over and 8 the curvature of the overstamp on the 6 seems closer to and 8 than a 6 but this may simply be the pressure on the stamp . It appears to have the flaw in the forehead so I am opting for OBV 5 but please correct me it could be OBV 4 ....the ribbon end seems somehow wrong longer on one (left side) could be a blockage Similar but no die crack. 2 Quote
mrbadexample Posted October 14, 2022 Author Posted October 14, 2022 I have mine down as obverse 5 too Larry. 1 Quote
Zo Arms Posted October 17, 2022 Posted October 17, 2022 1 hour ago, DrLarry said: REVERSE F obverse 6 ? But first I would like some help I have an obverse 4 which might be an obverse 6 . Mine, Gary's and Bernie's 6+F, are shown and discussed on this thread, a few pages prior to this. Full obverse photo please Larry. 1 Quote
Bernie Posted October 17, 2022 Posted October 17, 2022 28 minutes ago, Zo Arms said: 2 hours ago, DrLarry said: REVERSE F obverse 6 ? But first I would like some help I have an obverse 4 which might be an obverse 6 . Mine, Gary's and Bernie's 6+F, are shown and discussed on this thread, a few pages prior to this. Full obverse photo please Larry. Pictures of obverse and reverse please. Quote
Bernie Posted October 17, 2022 Posted October 17, 2022 Clearly reverse F, the large pictures of HONI SO that you placed earlier, the top picture is an obverse 6 and the lower is obverse 4 30 minutes ago, Zo Arms said: 2 hours ago, DrLarry said: REVERSE F obverse 6 ? But first I would like some help I have an obverse 4 which might be an obverse 6 . Mine, Gary's and Bernie's 6+F, are shown and discussed on this thread, a few pages prior to this. Full obverse photo please Larry. Pictures of obverse and reverse please. Quote
Zo Arms Posted October 17, 2022 Posted October 17, 2022 9 minutes ago, DrLarry said: would you happen to know on which page your example of F 6 is on? it is listed not listed in Freeman and Richard has it as PU and there is no freeman # Page 11. Feb 1st onwards. 1 Quote
Zo Arms Posted October 17, 2022 Posted October 17, 2022 Whilst we're here, does anyone have an F289, 62 over 26. Mentioned in the 2016 Freeman and recognised by Dracott in his 2021 update. I think I've found an example and a little piccy to show what I think I see. 1 Quote
mrbadexample Posted October 18, 2022 Author Posted October 18, 2022 22 hours ago, Zo Arms said: Whilst we're here, does anyone have an F289, 62 over 26. Mentioned in the 2016 Freeman and recognised by Dracott in his 2021 update. I think I've found an example and a little piccy to show what I think I see. Would like to see a closer / better photo. Do you have it in hand yet? Quote
Zo Arms Posted October 18, 2022 Posted October 18, 2022 19 minutes ago, mrbadexample said: Would like to see a closer / better photo. Do you have it in hand yet? Not yet. Probably be a week or so before I receive it. A cropped sellers photo. Full images to follow, if that helps. Bob. Quote
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