Halfpenny ID check

[mrbadexample]

5 hours ago, Bronze & Copper Collector said:

Can't tell for sure, but I am leaning towards an Obverse 4 or 6.....

I think there are only 2 leaves in the third group. 

 

[mrbadexample]

5 hours ago, Bronze & Copper Collector said:

If I did this correctly, it should link to different variants of the F-274a that I posted a while back...

 

http://www.predecimal.com/forum/topic/3664-coin-aquisition-of-the-week/?page=30&tab=comments#comment-39212

Brilliant thank you. It appears to match very closely with this one, with the exception of the vertical line. Perhaps an earlier die state?

Do you consider these to be F274 variants or F274A variants? 

[Bronze & Copper Collector]

Just now, mrbadexample said:

Brilliant thank you. It appears to match very closely with this one, with the exception of the vertical line. Perhaps an earlier die state?

Do you consider these to be F274 variants or F274A variants? 

My personal assessment and attributions are to categorize them as F-274a variants.

Inasmuch as the F-274a is considered to actually be a 6 over higher 6, unlike the F-282a which is clearly a 6 over 8, I consider all the various incarnations of 6 over 6 to be F-274a variants.

Again, these are only my thoughts and how I have classified them in my collection..

[Bernie]

On 2/16/2021 at 11:26 PM, Bronze & Copper Collector said:

Can't tell for sure, but I am leaning towards an Obverse 4 or 6.....

Not a 4 Gary, so that leaves 6 ?

[Bronze & Copper Collector]

12 minutes ago, Bernie said:

Not a 4 Gary, so that leaves 6 ?

From the image, I don't think it is a  2, 3, 5, or 7.... (1 is automatically eliminated inasmuch as the coin does not have a beaded border..)

Leaving either 4 or 6.

If you don't think it's a 4, then it is most likely an obverse 6.

Again, nothing substitutes for direct examination....

[Bernie]

On 2/22/2021 at 8:20 PM, Bronze & Copper Collector said:

From the image, I don't think it is a  2, 3, 5, or 7.... (1 is automatically eliminated inasmuch as the coin does not have a beaded border..)

Leaving either 4 or 6.

If you don't think it's a 4, then it is most likely an obverse 6.

Again, nothing substitutes for direct examination....

Colons after FD too wide for Obverse 4, I believe.

[mrbadexample]

Can either of you tell me what eliminates obverse 2 please?  

[Bronze & Copper Collector]

5 hours ago, mrbadexample said:

Can either of you tell me what eliminates obverse 2 please?  

MEA CULPA, NOTHING ELIMINATES IT..

Upon further close examination, I'll recant my opinion and state that I now consider and believe YOUR original assessment of it being an obverse 2 to be the correct one.

It only serves to reinforce my belief that NOTHING substitutes for DIRECT EXAMINATION OF THE COIN IN HAND!!!

 

Edited February 24, 2021 by Bronze & Copper Collector

[mrbadexample]

Thanks, it's hard to be sure sometimes.  

[Bronze & Copper Collector]

50 minutes ago, mrbadexample said:

Thanks, it's hard to be sure sometimes.  

Indeed....

And reinforces the difficulty of working from images...

[copper123]

7 hours ago, mrbadexample said:

Can either of you tell me what eliminates obverse 2 please?  

A hammer?

[Michael-Roo]

26 minutes ago, copper123 said:

A hammer?

😄 Good one.

 

[mrbadexample]

1 hour ago, copper123 said:

A hammer?

Someone's had a go...

[Bernie]

All examples of 2+C that I have seen have the die crack evidence, through "A" of "VICTORIA"

[Peckris 2]

I thought we'd already agreed it was Obverse 5 (the dink in the forehead)?

[Rob]

Obverse 5.

[Zo Arms]

Could someone confirm my ID on this please. I think it's reverse L.

Gary kindly forwarded the Draycott articles, which is where I found the pointings. A of half to a tooth.

[Zo Arms]

12 + L Freeman F322 ?

[mrbadexample]

8 hours ago, Zo Arms said:

12 + L Freeman F322 ?

 

I concur.

[Bernie]

9 hours ago, mrbadexample said:

I concur.

Could be 11+L if you like. LOL !

[Zo Arms]

11 hours ago, mrbadexample said:

I concur.

Thank you for confirming for me. Means a lot.

[Zo Arms]

1 hour ago, Bernie said:

Could be 11+L if you like. LOL !

However....

I have neither the knowledge nor experience to be taken seriously so these are purely amateur observations.

Using Mal Lewendons photos in the thread '1874 half penny' 2015, the only concrete difference that I can spot is the pointing of the second T in Britt.

Obverse 11 shows it pointing smack bang to a tooth. On obverse 12 the tooth is slightly to the left and the upright noticeably takes in some of the adjacent gap.

Transfering this observation to the side by side obverses shown in Freeman, page 89, the difference can be seen with a shift of the eyes.

On my coin the T is smack bang. Obverse 11?

 

[Zo Arms]

Ive said this because I couldn't quite get the R pointings on my coin to match Mal's pointings for obverse 12.

Bob.

[mrbadexample]

3 hours ago, Bernie said:

Could be 11+L if you like. LOL !

I can't tell the difference! 

I only checked the reverse. 

[Bronze & Copper Collector]

On 4/28/2021 at 4:16 PM, Zo Arms said:

Could someone confirm my ID on this please. I think it's reverse L.

Gary kindly forwarded the Draycott articles, which is where I found the pointings. A of half to a tooth.

From the posted images I would concur with your identification and assessment.