1897 one penny dot's between e and n of penny

[frankiew]

[IanB]

No comment on whether it has been cleaned or not without seeing it in the flesh but I reckon the dot was caused by a piece of metal or something just being in the wrong place at the wrong time. Have you tried flicking it off with your fingernail? From your picture there looks like a shadow line between it and the coin.

 

[frankiew]

Hi Ian, I have looked under a jewellers loupe and is definitely a raised dot, not anything stuck to coin. I have viewed many images of this coin and can't find any with this dot. I'm just unsure whether to send for pro opinion or if would be a waste of money?

[PWA 1967]

If its raised and wont come off its a bit of grit or similar on the die so Ideally you would need to find another one to make it of any interest IMO.

As far as sending it to someone they are just going to tell you what you already know and some of the people on here will no doubt give there opinion 

Another option is something that has been mentioned on here a rust spot on the die that starts off minute and can become bigger.

Whatever it is you really need to find another one atleast so maybe just keep hold of it and keep looking.

The other thing is the 1870 & 1875 the dot is a lot bigger and cant be mistaken for anything else.

Edited January 31, 2018 by PWA 1967

[jelida]

Even if others were to be found, I really don’t think it makes much difference. Most dies became somewhat battered, worn or cracked towards the end of their lives resulting in coins with extraneous raised marks, and this includes dies damaged by grit. This does not make them new varieties and should not increase their value, other than in a small number of cases that I have alluded to above. A true variety, as we have discussed elsewhere on this forum, should really be due to a physical change to the die (rarely flan) made by a human. I appreciate that some do collect mint errors and flaws, but these are beyond the remit of catalogues of varietal status.

Jerry

[1949threepence]

12 hours ago, PWA 1967 said:

If its raised and wont come off its a bit of grit or similar on the die so Ideally you would need to find another one to make it of any interest IMO.

As far as sending it to someone they are just going to tell you what you already know and some of the people on here will no doubt give there opinion 

Another option is something that has been mentioned on here a rust spot on the die that starts off minute and can become bigger.

Whatever it is you really need to find another one atleast so maybe just keep hold of it and keep looking.

The other thing is the 1870 & 1875 the dot is a lot bigger and cant be mistaken for anything else.

Apart from a cannonball in the case of 1975 !

(I'll get me coat )

 

[frankiew]

The 1909 penny has this raised dot between E and N of PENNY, found these on London coins but no 1897 yet. Thanks for all the advice though people, much appreciated.

[PWA 1967]

19 minutes ago, frankiew said:

The 1909 penny has this raised dot between E and N of PENNY, found these on London coins but no 1897 yet. Thanks for all the advice though people, much appreciated.

But again Frank there are quite a few of those all in the same place and again documented in the updated Freeman and David Groom book.

Edited February 1, 2018 by PWA 1967

[frankiew]

Email from received from M. Gouby 

Thanks to everyone for their input

 

Hello Frankie,

 

There are several penny that have been found with raised flaws , like spots, commas, etc.

They are all a result of a bit of dirt, etc. getting on the die and being transferred onto the coin it was striking.

1874, 1897, 1909, 1946 etc.

They are of interest to some collectors.

Is it worth keeping – yes why not !

[PWA 1967]

Before you start looking for any the 1874 i think was a typo for 1875 of which there are a couple of types.

Happy hunting 

[davidrj]

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This is the 1875 with a dot under the 1st I of VICTORIA, with coincident die crack on the reverse. Very scarce, London coins have sold 2 I think.

[RLC35]

3 hours ago, davidrj said:

This is the 1875 with a dot under the 1st I of VICTORIA, with coincident die crack on the reverse. Very scarce, London coins have sold 2 I think.

Diemakers are known to drill a hole at the end of a crack in a die, to stop the crack (sometimes only temporarily) to allow the continued use of a die. This is mostly done on forging dies, but maybe on finish quality dies also. (?)

[Guest Vinnie]

Just to inform anyone out there I have a Victoria 1897 where there is a dot after the 0 thanks

[Peckris]

10 hours ago, Guest Vinnie said:

Just to inform anyone out there I have a Victoria 1897 where there is a dot after the 0 thanks

"A" dot or "the" dot? Please put a picture up.

[1949threepence]

On 1/29/2018 at 6:57 AM, PWA 1967 said:

The above comment has made me start to think 

If your reading this thread PLEASE post if you think the coin has been cleaned or not.

There is no right or wrong answer  just interested in everyones opinion.

Pete.

There are those fine even hairlines in the reverse field. They aren't created randomly.  

[zookeeperz]

If there was some particle or debris on the die wouldn't that produce an incuse mark and not a raised mark? unless the master die received a second impression of the top of the lighthouse . Looking at how the USA define a doubled die which after all these years I am now just starting to understand.  Cast your mind to the double ear on lincoln cent I think this is the same thing but the top of the lighthouse has two impressions on the striking die. The only other explanation is they reused older coinage and that is the remnants of another lighthouse but a different type as the tip section is box shaped rather than a ball or a point? there's definitely underlying scaring to suggest something was previously on the coin

 

 

Edited June 15, 2018 by zookeeperz