1861H F26?

[Cliff]

I have the attached as a 1861H F26 but have no recollection of having seen the displayed BRITT intrusion into the LC before.  Your comments would be appreciated.

Cliff

 

[1949threepence]

It does on my F26 as well, Cliff. In fact the entire linear circle at the right hand side of the obverse, goes completely wonky, looks as though it's breaking up, and veers in. Never noticed it before until looking to compare with yours.  

[1949threepence]

Sorry, not the best of pics:-

 

  

[PWA 1967]

Yes mine is the same which makes me think all if not most will be.

[Cliff]

Thanks chaps.  I have a couple more F26s that I'll revisit later today.  I recall that, although their Obv LCs in that area aren't 'of the best', the lettering doesn't actually intrude into the LC.  Will confirm this evening.

I did have a look at Richard Session's example to compare and his looks perfectly normal, with BRITT being close to, but not touching, an unbroken LC.

Cliff

 

[secret santa]

All the F26s that I've looked at have the letters of BRITT very close to the linear circle so it's probably a clumsy repair to the linear circle that's impinged on the legend ?

[1949threepence]

Interesting.

I've just scanned through all the F26's sold at the LCA in recent years, and whilst the majority were perfectly normal, this one - lot No 2686 sold on 7.9.14, shows a definitely odd looking linear circle on the right hand side of the obverse:-

http://www.londoncoins.co.uk/img.php?a=146&l=2686&f=o&s=m

That looks very similar to mine.

This one, lot No 2380, sold on 6.3.16, by contrast, looks perfectly normal, except BRITT is very close to the linear circle. 

http://www.londoncoins.co.uk/img.php?a=152&l=2380&f=o&s=m

Maybe, as Richard suggests, there was a repair to the obviously flawed LC as shown in the first example, resulting in BRITT subsequently being very close to, or even breaching the repaired LC.   

 

 

Edited December 22, 2017 by 1949threepence

[Cliff]

Thank you all for your interest and for digging out the further examples Mike.

I attach pics of my two other F26s which show different legend v LC spacing and state of the LC itself. Forgive my ignorance but was the planchet already stamped with, say, the teeth and Linear Circle BEFORE being submitted for minting? (just my meanderings as to what may have caused the different spacing).

Seem to be back to "close to but not touching or intruding into the LC" but with different spacing?

[Cliff]

 

Maybe making more of this than there is but I'm seeing slightly different pointings for the last T in BRITT?

[Rob]

Given all letters on the second one aren't perpendicular to the rim, it would be impossible not to have a 'variety' of one form or other. Make up the description in your own words.

[Coinery]

The second T also has a different rotation.

[DrP]

Sorry for my ignorance - but what does this F26 mean?   From the pic above and following the conversation in the thread - is it something to do with letter spacings and proximity to the outer rim of the coin? 

Thanks.

[PWA 1967]

12 minutes ago, DrP said:

Sorry for my ignorance - but what does this F26 mean?   From the pic above and following the conversation in the thread - is it something to do with letter spacings and proximity to the outer rim of the coin? 

Thanks.

F26 is a reference  from the Michael Freeman book.

Pennies start at F1 1860 and continue to F257 1967 for all the bronze pennies in the book ....The Bronze Coinage of Great Britain 

The F obviously for Freeman.

 

Edited December 23, 2017 by PWA 1967

[secret santa]

19 hours ago, Cliff said:

Forgive my ignorance but was the planchet already stamped with, say, the teeth and Linear Circle BEFORE being submitted for minting?

Teeth and linear circle are all part of the engraved die.

[Cliff]

Thanks for your contributions everyone.  I'm 'away' at the moment but am keeping tabs via iPad.