LCA December

[PWA 1967]

Now online 

[1949threepence]

Hmmm.....not bad. Several outstanding boxes ticked for me there. 

 

 

[jaggy]

I have only identified one coin which is of any interest. Very little there for me.

[VickySilver]

Literally nothing for me either.

[1949threepence]

Incidentally, has anybody received their hard copy catalogue yet? I keep adding my name to the mailing list (3 times now), but nothing ever happens, and I've yet to receive one. 

[secret santa]

Catalogues won't be out for a little while.

[Descartes]

Not a very exciting selection for hammered penny enthusiasts this time around.

[1949threepence]

Can anybody else spot something slightly wrong with this Festival of Britain VIP 1951 proof set?

link to item

 

 

Edited November 11, 2017 by 1949threepence

[davidrj]

2 Scottish shillings, no English

[1949threepence]

9 minutes ago, davidrj said:

2 Scottish shillings, no English

Precisely David. 

I wonder what the explanation is? It ought to be a good one considering the lower and upper estimates applied.  

[VickySilver]

I am not at all sure from the pictures provided that this is a "VIP" set. IMO, this term is overused and many more coins are seeming to fall into that category.

[PWA 1967]

2 minutes ago, VickySilver said:

I am not at all sure from the pictures provided that this is a "VIP" set. IMO, this term is overused and many more coins are seeming to fall into that category.

They only mention the crown Vicky and feel they must be sure but i dont know anything about them

Think if it was mine i would of had slabbed and sold it on its own.

[Unwilling Numismatist]

Additionally, It looks like the tags used to pull the coins have marked most of the set, with the exception of the crown and one of the shillings.

Whilst it's a very nice crown, I wouldn't be happy it's the original, given that it has no hint of similar marks to the others (check the obverses on the link and you'll get the idea).

[VickySilver]

And doesn't seem to match another "old school" VIP 1951 Crown I know.....Nice crown, yes. VIP, I don't see it.

[Nick]

Feel sure that a VIP set would not have been presented in a standard cardboard case.

[PWA 1967]

Its NOT a VIP set and isnt priced or listed as one.

LCA do say that just the crown is VIP and the rest normal.... that is not impossible as i am aware of a dealer who had a set although 1953 with one coin VIP in it.

 

[1949threepence]

23 hours ago, PWA 1967 said:

Its NOT a VIP set and isnt priced or listed as one.

LCA do say that just the crown is VIP and the rest normal.... that is not impossible as i am aware of a dealer who had a set although 1953 with one coin VIP in it.

 

Yep, good point Pete. I was so fixated on the fact there were two Scottish shillings, that I completely missed the fact it was only the Crown which was VIP.

But - on that subject of VIP - just how do you tell the difference between them and a "normal" proof? Indeed, is there any material difference, or is it merely the fact that they are given to a VIP, which marks them out?     

Forgive my ignorance on this issue.

 

  

[1949threepence]

Out of interest, LCA have sold three1951 VIP Crowns previously. The first was lot 1301 on 2.6.13, hammer £3,600, second was Lot 2868 on 7.9.14, £2,800 and the third Lot 2044 on 7.12.14, £5,500.

[PWA 1967]

On 11/12/2017 at 0:04 AM, PWA 1967 said:

They only mention the crown Vicky and feel they must be sure but i dont know anything about them

Think if it was mine i would of had slabbed and sold it on its own.

 

6 minutes ago, 1949threepence said:

Out of interest, LCA have sold three1951 VIP Crowns previously. The first was lot 1301 on 2.6.13, hammer £3,600, second was Lot 2868 on 7.9.14, £2,800 and the third Lot 2044 on 7.12.14, £5,500.

Yes Mike ,thats why i mentioned i would have slabbed and sold it on its own 

[zookeeperz]

You would know the difference immediately as the V.I.P proof is Frosted and the mirror surface is almost black like looking into an abyss. LCA VIP V my sad offering normal one

 

Edited November 13, 2017 by zookeeperz

[craigy]

lca a say a lot of thing, the whole vip proof thing is debatable i think, 

[1949threepence]

Cheers craigy. I get it now. 

[VickySilver]

There is another thread now on the subject, but I would say that I have definitely seen cameo contrast crowns of 1951 with mirror-black fields that I would not necessarily number amongst the "VIP". Or if they are, then the population of what some consider VIP will have to expand. I bought one labelled VIP from Spink many years ago that probably would be considered such. 

But, to belabour the point, I think many would feel comfortable about those that are NOT VIP, but the same could not be said for those considered by some to be VIP. There IMO is a spectrum of presentation and strike for this 1951 crown, with much the same to be said about the 1953. 5,000+ quid for one of these? Spare me! Although this may portend well for later proof coins....

Edited November 13, 2017 by VickySilver

[zookeeperz]

Here is my original one from pic above and my other 1 both pics I took today 1 after the other. like against like kind of bolsters that argument. as one is more prooflike cameo than the other

 

[1949threepence]

Thanks chaps. Evidently this is quite a contentious issue. 

As you say @VickySilver paying £5000+ for a coin of uncertain pedigree (VIP or not?), seems somewhat impetuous.