London Coins June Auction

[jaggy]

Catalogue is now out!

http://www.londoncoins.co.uk/?page=Catalogue

[1949threepence]

Had a look. On this occasion I didn't see anything which especially interested me. 

[PWA 1967]

Yes not much in the way of pennies.

Maybe got spoiled for choice in the last one 

[copper123]

That IOM 1860 copper farthing looks a bit overpriced  its very rare though

[mrbadexample]

Lot 2242: "Halfpenny 1797 Pattern Bronzed Copper Restrike Peck
1173 R61 nFDC attractively toned, probably rarer than Peck
states, indeed we have only offered one previous example,
this in June 2006 and realised £220 in UNC, this easily the
superior piece (£500 - £600)"

Sorry if I'm being a bit thick, but what does it mean by restrike please? 

[Nordle11]

Struck, then struck again 

[Rob]

A coin struck by W J Taylor using dies acquired at the sale of the Soho Mint inventory in 1848 which he subsequently used struck in the period 1862 - 1885, frequently muling to produce previously unknown combinations. For many years these were pooh-poohed, but in the last 40 years have become accepted and now sell for sums approaching those realised for true Soho products. Some coins such as the nude Britannias only exist because of his activities, the die being acquired in the unhardened state in 1848.

This term is used to differentiate the coins from those struck at Soho, which are themselves divided into early and late. The former being contemporary with the date on the coin, the latter struck at Soho using the same dies but at a later date.

Edited May 11, 2016 by Rob

[mrbadexample]

Cheer Rob, that's much more helpful than Nordle.

To me then, a curiosity, but not something I'd consider spending lots of cash on.

As usual though, one question begets another (and I realise I'm taking the thread off-topic somewhat, sorry) - I didn't know about early and late Soho issues. How would one know which was which please?

Cheers,

Jon

[Rob]

You don't have to spend huge amounts on them. You can pick one up for a few hundred pounds. Silver, aluminium and gold obviously cost more, so here you are starting around the 2K mark in mint state.

Anyway, how can anyone not like one of these?

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The early and late strikings are usually determined as a result of die rust spots being on some things and not others, even though struck from the same dies.

[Nordle11]

 That is rather appealing. Plus when you put the pictures like that, it looks like Georgie likes it too.

[copper123]

The fuller figure was all the rage as far as fasion was concerned back then .

That britannia ain't no twiggy .

George III was one of the few kings who never took mistresses as far as I know his wife was his only love- his eldest  son  never thought that way.

[mrbadexample]

I couldn't say I dislike that.  Still not something I'd be likely to buy though.

[PWA 1967]

2 hours ago, Rob said:

You don't have to spend huge amounts on them. You can pick one up for a few hundred pounds. Silver, aluminium and gold obviously cost more, so here you are starting around the 2K mark in mint state.

Anyway, how can anyone not like one of these?

http://

The early and late strikings are usually determined as a result of die rust spots being on some things and not others, even though struck from the same dies.

Well i dont like it Rob....infact i think she would get rejected after 7oclock never mind the end of the night 

Not the nicest looking coin by a long way 

[mrbadexample]

2 minutes ago, PWA 1967 said:

Well i dont like it Rob....infact i think she would get rejected after 7oclock never mind the end of the night 

Not the nicest looking coin by a long way 

Pete, you need to look at the REVERSE!

[PWA 1967]

Looks like the same person 

[mrbadexample]

Pete, she's lovely. When you've had your failing eyesight checked, can you tell me is lot 3132 not actually a 10 leaf?

[PWA 1967]

11 outwards .....10 downwards 

[mrbadexample]

33 minutes ago, PWA 1967 said:

11 outwards .....10 downwards 

You've lost me. 

[Rob]

5 minutes ago, mrbadexample said:

You've lost me. 

Tie ribbon

 

[Rob]

First coin, P1132 with 10 leaves points down; second coin, P1133A with 11 leaves points out. P1133 also has 11 leaves and points out, the difference being incuse dots on the rock for the 1132 & 33, while 1133A has raised dots on the rock behind the shield.

Edited May 11, 2016 by Rob

[PWA 1967]

16 minutes ago, mrbadexample said:

You've lost me. 

Sorry as Rob has posted the indicator is easier to spot even if the coin is slightly worn.

If you cant see the ribbon or dots its easy.

Dont bother buying it 

[secret santa]

Does that beautiful but naughty Britannia coin have a Peck number ? And where can I get one ?

[mrbadexample]

1 hour ago, Rob said:

Tie ribbon

 

Sorry Rob, yes I knew that. Just didn't understand Pete's reply - 'twas a bit cryptic.  The question I was asking was have LCA got the ID wrong on lot 3132? Looking at the ribbon I'd have said it was a 10 leaf, but they've got it listed as an 11.

[mrbadexample]

I can see the eleventh leaf quite clearly on the example you've posted Rob, but I don't know what you mean about the raised / incuse dots. Can't make 'em out at all.

 

Edit: Yes I can now. So there are two types of 11 leaf, with the three dots raised / incuse?

 

Edited May 11, 2016 by mrbadexample

[Rob]

Correct. The raised dots are only found with 11 leaves and not very common. You'll struggle to find a mint state one. The coin posted was Adams 36.