EU referendum - in or out?

[Paulus]

An Orwellian proclamation by the Ministry of Truth

Edited July 12, 2016 by Paulus

[scott]

yea such rubbish that newspaper clip, the Sun aims to have the highest editorial standards

such lies

 

 

[Rob]

2 hours ago, mhcoins said:

This is outrageous ! How can they get away with this kind of thing !

Because people buy the paper and so they have an ongoing business to fund their diatribe. There's only one paper without political affiliation and that's the FT. Sure some journalists are left of centre and others right, but the paper gives both sides the opportunity to air their views. All the others you can bin because they will only ever lean one way or the other, so objectivity is inherently compromised. Another good source of apolitically driven information is of course Private Eye.

[josie]

I thought in the past that the pound will be demonetized or UKGB will join EU and Euro for stronger currency like super state, like USA but with additional members outside EU due to commonwealth countries and other countries occupied by EU member state in a way EU will unite and make a super federal state even countries outside Europe or organization or make one super currency but the pound will not go and it stay,today i think it is the value of pound against all the wishes of other world leaders and financial organization  lowest level since 1985 maybe Margaret  and Reagan era don't know what they are up to in those time why pound came to its lowest in history maybe they are blocking trade from Russia,

I admire and impress on UKGB referendum mostly western countries do make there history and still now the people of UK and its government and its pound are still making its history, I'm just sometime awe in some reports on sky depends on there line which side they support from time to time leap of faith comes out in the mouth of younger generation.

I'm just a commenting ,having my opinion,expressing myself and beside I'm watching any development  in Europe and USA or in the world that will effect other countries it may means progress or hardship and it is mostly attached to currency and coins etc that they can sometimes predict an outcome to prepare for something in the near future or any prophetic events that world powers and there leaders are doing so I keep watching. 

Edited July 13, 2016 by josie

[Peckris]

 

[Paulus]

LOL nice to see a post from you Chris!

[josie]

What are the chances that EU will use GB pound as legal tender?

What are the chances that current commonwealth countries and other countries  that will apply  will use GB pound as their Legal tender?

Among the basket of International reserve currencies in the western world and English speaking countries Sterling Pound is the oldest, USA dollar-GB pound-EU euro soon Renminbi,Rand?Rupee?Rubles?Maybe  others are looking for strong or dominant reserve currency besides US dollar if other major currencies cannot stay in there current place or standing and might create a space or vacuum for other currencies to step forward just a comment.Just posting.

Edited July 28, 2016 by josie

[Mr T]

On 28/07/2016 at 11:56 PM, josie said:

What are the chances that EU will use GB pound as legal tender?

Does anyone besides Great Britain (and I suppose some of the dependencies) use it at the moment?

[davidrj]

33 minutes ago, Mr T said:

Does anyone besides Great Britain (and I suppose some of the dependencies) use it at the moment?

I think the Crown Dependencies, -  Jersey, Guernsey, IOM, Gibraltar, St Helena & Ascension, and the Falkland Islands nominally each have their own currencies, not the Pound Sterling but in practice parity with it. Cayman Islands uses the US dollar I think

 

[Rob]

37 minutes ago, Mr T said:

Does anyone besides Great Britain (and I suppose some of the dependencies) use it at the moment?

Nope. But in this era of 24/7 communication, all currencies are tradable if free floating, so it doesn't really matter what the currency is. Although the currency brokers will make a small amount on conversion, it is a small price to pay for not being tied to the fortunes of another country whose political and economic policies and interests are invariably going to diverge from yours. That's why the Euro is screwing up the Eurozone.

[josie]

I'm just thinking between gold and silver currency and GB sterling pound and other coins and currency that other commonwealth countries now use then in the pre WWI,now most countries use fiat money the more they use the more it grows for now leading currency reserve is the USA dollar among its stocks market and federal reserve banks and multinational banks and companies,third in ranking is London stock exchange in between USA stock market and European stock market there is a cable connecting USA and Europe with the help of high speed internet UKGB maybe can connect or merge the two market to make it a free single stock exchange with UKGB  as the third stock market with commonwealth maybe to cushion or to take over if any shift of leading currency or if USA dollar goes down and take over by Renminbi  just thinking it is always stock market is one of the test use in ones country to test their currency,economy,maybe political events and policies etc.especially if China Renminbi will goes as a reserve currency and heavily traded by USA-China export-Import Trade?socialist-capitalist? just in case they will have a problem if not other small countries can be bullied by any form just a comment maybe like the Russian Crisis I'm just worried what these world leaders up in there mind and will surprise the common people especially loads of things happening this year most of them or there leaders or there people do it for a reason.gold silver currency Fiat manipulation,devaluation,inflation if any ,SDR,legal tender in there law,union of state or nation or who will be a next supper power along with other super power or what is the destiny or predestined UKGB and the pound if there is any for it wont go it always stay as it is for a long time till now against all the odds.

 

Edited July 30, 2016 by josie

[copper123]

Watched a TV programe the other day and BOTH sides of the fence piled on the lies and untruths thick and fast during their campaigns .

To be honest the best result would have been if no one turned up  and voted .

I guess it was just a choice between which side was telling the biggest porkies and the other  and the public chose what they thought was  the least bad choice

[Green]

What a joke - democracy and its values have been protected, really?

[Rob]

11 minutes ago, Green said:

What a joke - democracy and its values have been protected, really?

I don't have an issue with the ruling, nor the body that made it. The Supreme Court is there for a good reason and sometimes they make judgments that people don't like - something that is inevitable when opinions are divided as is manifestly the case. They have stated that it has no bearing on the referendum result and this is as it should be. Brexit or not is not the preserve of 11 men and women.

My gripe is with the politicians who are arguing for a debate and amendments to suit themselves on the grounds that it is a subject that needs to be debated properly because the public didn't understand or consider the arguments. I concur with the first part, however, they had a year to debate this properly in advance of the referendum and chose instead to involve themselves in peurile yah-boo politics without addressing the topic and the important issues arising, presumably on the assumption that the outcome was foreseen. That debate was held across the country by the very people they deem to be unsuited to make decisions. Not for the first time it is our elected politicians who have abrogated their position of responsibility to put forward reasoned arguments for voting one way or the other.

[Colin G.]

Nail...head....hit 

[azda]

22 minutes ago, Rob said:

I don't have an issue with the ruling, nor the body that made it. The Supreme Court is there for a good reason and sometimes they make judgments that people don't like - something that is inevitable when opinions are divided as is manifestly the case. They have stated that it has no bearing on the referendum result and this is as it should be. Brexit or not is not the preserve of 11 men and women.

My gripe is with the politicians who are arguing for a debate and amendments to suit themselves on the grounds that it is a subject that needs to be debated properly because the public didn't understand or consider the arguments. I concur with the first part, however, they had a year to debate this properly in advance of the referendum and chose instead to involve themselves in peurile yah-boo politics without addressing the topic and the important issues arising, presumably on the assumption that the outcome was foreseen. That debate was held across the country by the very people they deem to be unsuited to make decisions. Not for the first time it is our elected politicians who have abrogated their position of responsibility to put forward reasoned arguments for voting one way or the other.

I don't think it is the case that the public didn't understand or consider the arguments, i think it's a clear case that the public were blatantly lied to in order to encourage the out vote. As soon as it was declared, Farage tells the public that he lied about the money that gets transferred to Brussels would be spent on the NHS. People voted on this type of lie and as i've said before, if these MPs lie in order to win an arguement or a seat or whatever, then it should be (not just Brexit) re-run with the full facts disclosed.

[Colin G.]

That is just an impractical approach...how could the leave campaign ever truthfully say what the scenario would look like after leaving if:

• The parliament has an ability to potentially amend and debate the process once underway
• The leave campaign are not the Government and therefore can not say what the ruling Government would do in the event of a vote to leave. The Government's stance was to remain, so how can they provide a truthful argument for leaving?
• Anyone who expects all politicians...or in fact people to always tell the truth are naive. It will never happen.

This would mean the argument for leaving would be "we are leaving but we don't know what it will entail, who will administer it or how it is being carried out or what the end result would be"......I am sure that would have been a hard sell 

You have to rely on your instincts in these situations and try and sift through the dross to get to real information

[Rob]

17 minutes ago, azda said:

I don't think it is the case that the public didn't understand or consider the arguments, i think it's a clear case that the public were blatantly lied to in order to encourage the out vote. As soon as it was declared, Farage tells the public that he lied about the money that gets transferred to Brussels would be spent on the NHS. People voted on this type of lie and as i've said before, if these MPs lie in order to win an arguement or a seat or whatever, then it should be (not just Brexit) re-run with the full facts disclosed.

There was no reasoned argument from either side. That's why people, just as on this forum, debated the issue amongst themselves. The numbers quoted by both sides were designed for effect, but the simple truth is that there is only a finite pot of money to disburse, which  means that not everybody can have what they want. And as for business, it will adapt to whatever situation it is confronted with. That's what they do, otherwise they go under. Consequently I believe that with the prospect of this issue hurting both the remaining EU members and the UK, a sensible agreement will be forged. The main side issue for the EU not addressed by Brexit is the ongoing fully centralised power agenda of the EU commission, but that is moving relentlessly forward irrespective of the wishes of any member state - you can do that when there is no control mechanism. Divide and rule. Allowing some national controls divides the constituent states. Formulating and handing down legislation by an unelected commission is the rule bit.

Edited January 24, 2017 by Rob

[azda]

28 minutes ago, Colin G. said:

That is just an impractical approach...how could the leave campaign ever truthfully say what the scenario would look like after leaving if:

• The parliament has an ability to potentially amend and debate the process once underway
• The leave campaign are not the Government and therefore can not say what the ruling Government would do in the event of a vote to leave. The Government's stance was to remain, so how can they provide a truthful argument for leaving?
• Anyone who expects all politicians...or in fact people to always tell the truth are naive. It will never happen.

This would mean the argument for leaving would be "we are leaving but we don't know what it will entail, who will administer it or how it is being carried out or what the end result would be"......I am sure that would have been a hard sell 

You have to rely on your instincts in these situations and try and sift through the dross to get to real information

When you knowingly know the facts and say the exact opposite then it's a lie, also you are correct, the Government at the time was in for remaining, so why would they also argue to leave at the same time, that's just nonsense, and another fact is/was, that part of the Tory Government were Brexiteers, Ian Duncan Smith, Boris Johnson, Theresa May, etc etc etc

[1949threepence]

12 hours ago, Green said:

What a joke - democracy and its values have been protected, really?

The thing you have to remember is that parliament was not legally bound by the result of the referendum.

At the end of the day, though, they will vote by a substantial majority for Article 50 to be invoked. Probably the SNP element and a few others will vote against, but that will be it. 

Whatever happens, we will adapt to the new order. Moreover, I don't think our divorce from the EU will be anywhere near as painful as some have predicted. 

[josie]

Just posting.Maybe.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trade-weighted_US_dollar_index

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Currency_pair 

Trade-weighted US dollar GBR sterling pound and commonwealth EU euro?

 

Edited January 27, 2017 by josie

[scott]

and now Google/apple have increased prices by 25% because of the weak pound. money grabbing has begun

[josie]

First worlds and there stock markets and there currencies who will ride?At the very least they have a system etc. just a comment. first world they must be the leaders.