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    The Shilling Box dated 1850 Rogers # 4060 actually looking at the image the obverse is dated 1865 the base 1850 Rogers mentions the dated 1865 version but in his example the dates correspond on both sides whereas in mine they differ .
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    The Lid of the George IV Two Pound Box Rogers 4050 this has solder on the inside as mentioned in Rogers
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    The half penny box Rogers 4082
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    The Farthing box made or thin pressed copper foil with George IV and with William IV . I do not have the reverse of the William IV box but I see one illustrated in Rogers 4092 I like to think that this base fits my top LOL . You may laugh here but one day I was collecting roman pottery along the bank of the River Ouse and found a lovely rim of a Samarian Ware Roman pot. Some time later a friend was showing me there collection and I looked at his "other half" of a samian pot and lo and behold they fit like a glove. Rogers 4091 and 4092 The William IVth lid is rather crude lacking definition
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    The British Box : There appear to be four designs one a sailing ship; a coach and horses; a jumping horse and rider; and an old coin screw with two cherubs . I have found several horse and jumper The rarest I have found is the coin screw cherub type. The German box has both the sailing ship and the horse jumper on the lid. The English box has a five pound Note on the lid in some. This one contained the set from 5 Sovereign to farthing all in uncirculated condition. This is the Jubilee set dated 1887 it used he half shilling shield sixpence so was prepared in advance of the changes in the sixpence.
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    The Second German set I have contained a lot less and has some interesting variation. The box is 34 mm and contained 10 coins up to 5 mark from 1 pfennig ; 2; 5;10;20;and 50 Pfennig . The box and the coins all have the Harpy eagle . The lower section was has a skyline of Nurnberg
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    Every now and again I am lucky enough to find boxes made for the Lauer Coins in particularly with what I assume to be a full set. These have been useful in that they give greater insight into the original contents. They also throw up some strange anomalies , for example I purchased a set of the German coins in it's original box with the 100 Mark note on the top of the small gilt box and inside were 2 examples of quite a rare american Lauer 2 cent piece. The box is uncirculated and as are the coins. The set came from the US and is still inside the shop box made for it supplied at sale. Whether these were tasters I can't be sure . the box contained 2 20 mark ;3 5 mark (gold) 2 x 2 mark;2 x 1 mark ; 3 50 Pfennig ; 2 x 20 pfennig (silver) ; 7 x 10 Pfennig 3 in brass with the Kaisers head and 4 in zinc with the eagle ; 3 x 5 pfennig in zinc (eagles); 4x 2 Pfennig eagles 5 x 1 pfennig (copper) eagles As I mentioned the copper USA 2 cents and 4 playing counters in plain metal uniface marked 5 and 10 . The box is the standard Horse jumper but with a blue 100 Mark note . marked Nurnberger Spielmunzen although interestingly it also has the sailing ship lid type in the same box Rogers #4700 he had never seen the box himself and is described as RRR* Roger's notes that he is unsure of the issue types and I am hoping this small box helps someway. Note it contains no 10 mark Gold coins and is a mix of the portrait and the double headed eagle , all the heads are the old head type . All are uncirculated as is the box so we have some indication of the set (perhaps) With this in mind I thought I would start with the sets and the boxes . all coins are 12 mm to 14 mm
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    I like them too. I am sure no longer keeping a resident engraver after the 1850's at the mint may also have created limitations which made such a venture more complicated.
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    The KNOW your ONIONs they are quite cute those.
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    it intrigues me because it is so yet I cant stop thinking your father had a perfectly modelled seated Britannia why not just copy it. The hand is correct and the position of the trident in good balance, the hand grasps it just as it would naturally.
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    well the mistakes in the legends and dies are not really his mistakes though I think as an artist he should never have made some of the anatomical errors but the issues is , as has been said before, these are pieces of art stuck on bits of metal. Although saying that I have often wondered if taking his name off the design was some kind of statement either from the mint or himself. I understand it is hard when you are so used to seeing something to see some of these flaws, especially when you all love this design. But it feels a little like Wyon designed something beautiful then the workmen at the mint altered it so simply get a product. It would be like a Bauhaus Chair modern and new with clumsy oak feet added because they happened to be lying around in the factory. The position of the trident and the hand is not humanly possible. Still we shall never know
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    I felt that I contributed too much detail on the thread on Half pennies showing all the overstamps and errors I had found in my own collection collected in the last 6 years. Every coin has come from eBay and I have never attended an auction and I have enjoyed the challenge of finding errors already discovered and covered comprehensively by M Goulby in the specialised edition Bronze Pennies from 1860 to 1901 and others mentioned in numerous excellent websites created and administered by long time members of this forum and others who I am unsure if members. I wanted to photograph and record all my examples for my own catalogue in readiness for donation to the Trust I hope then it will be used after my demise to help them sell off my collection. I may replicate examples in other places with this in mind. I will use the prefixes used by Goulby and so that I can start to remember them the Freeman nomenclature. I find errors surprisingly interesting, Perhaps because of the turmoil in the transition to Bronze from Copper they illustrate a somewhat chaotic time at the mint. In previous discussions others have explained some of the problems there is an interesting back story which involves a lot of politics and a great deal of personal intrigue in the life of L C Wyon the designer of the new reverse and obverse. The royal mint seems to have been undergoing a lot of changes which may contribute to some of the story and sadly most f the records for this period are lost because of a fire in the records office of the Royal mint in the 19th C. If you feel you would rather this be included in some other thread then just let me know and I will stop and relocate. It takes a lot of time to photograph and record these errors. More than anything else I would be eternally grateful for your own examples that will help verify any previously unlisted. This goes for the half pennies in particular which do not get the same limelight as the penny. So please add your own Thanks
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    You will, I hope, indulge my interest in these tiny miniatures. I hope they will be interesting to collectors many are new and not included in Rogers. I find them fascinating because of the whimsical nature of them and the role they would have played with children throughout the last 2 centuries. I am particularly interested in Lauer coins and would be grateful to have any exchange of ideas or research on the manufacturing history and distribution. Luckily I have the microscope and will will take images and would like discussion and debate about them from any collectors. I know they are not currency pre decimal coins but they are of interest I hope, as much as for any other reason than they are beautiful little replicas. It is also a chance for me to sort and re-examine them in between paintings just to clear my mind. Many thanks
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    yes this seems to have flummoxed Wyon ( which is surprising again if he had studied continental mints and bronze) his original designs had "too high relief" . It is likely that the original designs were very different because he seems to take it as "looking back " to have the same old seated Britannia. That along with illness and death of one of his children may have contributed to some of the technical errors in the anatomy on the bun penny. I would have loved to have seen the "standing Britannia " he made drawings of on the coin it would have been a powerful statement of a "proud Britain" making her sit down seems more passive.
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    someone there is obviously getting it wrong. It is true that the teeth on the the two sides appear different so perhaps the confusion comes from not looking at enough beaded examples
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    yes I do think this is how it happens. The sad thing is the degree to which slab buyers depend on it as gospel.
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    Perhaps we should start a new thread to write episodes of the mini series ourselves. I have a copy of Wyon's diary and have read some of the papers online of Victoria's diary. I am sure there is quite a bit in Hansard from parliament. And we can ask Viking River Cruises to sponsor the holiday in Europe sections. I am sure if they can make it up on the "The Crown" we could have a good shot at it. Still my ideas rarely bolster a lot of interest and at times feel fictional. Story of my life methinks LOL
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    Yes I have often wondered that very question myself. I have various tokens with Entente Cordiale with the head of Victoria and you would have thought that this friendly juice could have perhaps stretched to having a chat. Perhaps it is an issue of the complexity of the design as much as anything. Having looked at the Canadian bronze from this period there don't seem to be quite so many errors. I think I have one 1862 over 1861
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    yes it must have been quite exhausting. They could, with a bit of artistic licence create quite a good soap opera or period drama out of it involving all sorts from the die setter to the Queen and all the intrigue in between . Of course a bit of light relief when Wyon goes on his annual 6 weeks holidays in the middle could always add a bit of scenery . But then perhaps it might only intrigue a few old guys that collect some old coppers or bronze. I'd watch it LOL
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    can someone give me their wisdom please and tell me what is it in the Victorian Bronze coinage that changes after 1863 that results in a consistent mintage with few errors for many years? Is it that the steel improves in quality so that they can simply throw away damaged dies rather than repair them. apart from one error in the 1863 half penny with an E over an E in PENNY and the 1865 over 3 nothing much happens. the same in the PENNY 65 over 3 but then nothing until the Heaton years. Was there a change in management and method?
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    There is no need for me to show the mint marks you have all seen them before and whilst I have an A and a C I have no B but would like one (one day) One other things is the existence of some reverse G's with no rock (cauliflower ace of spades rock) on the left of the lighthouse. The rocks close to the LTH form a wedge going down to the sea As many have suggested with other "rock anomalies" are just filled sections rather than any attempt to change the die.
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    here is the FAT 2 , there seem to be a number of date differences the two can either be close or far with the whole date spaced or with the 2 off on its own like a delinquent child and also the two is low the 2 almost touching the inner circle. The * I have found either Broken at the top or the base and at times the 8 is very weakly struck. The 8 over the 8 is often well repaired a good repair but it is possible to make out the previous 8 "thinner" underneath on the top. The same for the 6 over the 6 a thick base fractured along the mid point and then repaired and a thinner 6 can be seen. I know there is a 62 over a 26 but have not yet found one and I aslo do not have ( but would like an 6 over an 8 the weak 8 seems to be the motivation behind the restriking error striking in the 6 position rather than the 8 . I have a couple of 2 over 2 s usually with the second 2 down and slightly to the right . There is as I say quite a dramatic difference between the fate 2 and the slender 2 .....I will add images if anyone is interested. fat 2 2 over 2 new find 6 over 6 to the left
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    two strange things associated with die breaks ...the "pimple G" and the E/B just of interest if you see them ....The E in REG in the 1862 is a most bizarre things and it , like the strange metal addition in the the C of the 1862 penny, seems pretty much standard . There is no reason for the gly unruly addition of the rogue metal protruding from the foot. I cannot fathom it out to be honest occasionally as in this example and in some others a die break connects the lower and central limb of the E and in this case the upper too. If anyone knows why this addition to the e exists I would be grateful to know.
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    V over V in VICTORIA
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    A over A in Victoria
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