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The three pence also is a little complicated it may be that some of these are Rogers #822 large crown but the bust is not really that hairy but cannot be assigned to any other maker type
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sixpence there are three types listed but for some reason I think there are four as mentioned by Rogers
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The Shilling, Rogers # 787 points to the last V of the W and # 788 points to the D. My notes in the book suggest one of these might be a 3rd type which points to the first V of the W
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I will take a look for you. Yes it is in no image #243 but he did not have one he just says it is reported but he had not seen one.
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The Half Crown Looking at these two I can see they are different there are design elements in different places. Clearly the first is very different the back of the head is placed with the truncation to the D and the others the W. The lettering is also larger this must be Rogers #780
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I have not found any variation in the shilling cf. Rogers but only having 3 it is difficult to say if this is just a numbers game. I had intended not to take photos ut I think I will just to have better images for others to compare I should go back and do the same for the Crown, half crown. The Crown This type seems not to be listed in Rogers the truncation points to the first V of the W not the centre . So there must be at least 4 varieties. as the other either point centre of the W ~ 775; #776;#777 points to the D
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I have wondered why people that like miniature dolls house stuff dont collect them, I think they have played quite an important role teaching children (girls) house keeping in Victorian times. Something wonderful happened the other day I received a very nice George III two pence (silvered) when it arrived I noticed it very light , eventually I realised I had an apprentice piece...the bizarre thing inside was a small packet containing a whole set of the Royal Family tokens from the windsor Castle boxes. The irony is I have always wanted a smuggler coin. I think it only cost me $40
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are those R's instead of E's ? I am trying to think where I have placed my model coins.... my gothic copper ones as above are both 1848 I had not realised there was an 1849
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yes they are very rare . I have quite a few doubles though. I have paid upto about £30 each for them I have only just received the last set my only real interest in buying more than one is often in search of new varieties. Some like the Flying Eagle I think there might be only about 15 known. But listen I have 4 I really don't need them all. I only bought them over from the US because I thought there were not many over in Europe. Frustrates me a little too hence starting this thread I thought it might get a few people interested. A couple of years ago I found a small hoard of an unlisted type of Alfonso the XIII baby heads 25 pts usually what I do is donate them to the charity and sell them for them. I sold 20 of them at about £25 each simply because Pay Pal were doing a fantastic almost unbelievable offer to the charity of multiplying anything I sold times 5 in the end I managed to raise nearly £30,000 , £25,000 given by ebay and Paypal. I am always happy to sell them to other collectors for the charity. As long as I have a set I am happy. Let me know I am not too interested in making profit on them
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I have collected them all off ebay over the last 5 years. I have not bought many the last year I wouldn't know where to begin outside ebay. I have several hundred now. It's been one of the most interesting things I've collected since I started collecting 7 years ago. I sometimes find small hoards with 40 or 50 of the same type which has made wonder if they were distributed in a number of different ways. My sets come mostly the US. I think I'm almost done collecting now though .
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the reverses Both the lettering and some of the design is different on the large letter type and in the small letter type this one has an F double struck then moved
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Variations in the Two shillings Florin: Firstly the new obverse above with the star, The modelling of the portrait is very different and the nose points to either the M or the O on OMN. The distance below the portrait varies to the legend. Two are listed in Rogers # 785 and 786. I have found a fourth type with large lettering. There is also variation in the reverses one the plumes touch the inner circle, one is slightly off and the other far away . There is also variation in the level of the sea which is best seen looking at the S . Suggesting again that 4 different runs were made or that the work was completed by different engravers working slightly differently and these may have been brought together and cut into the same dies or they were produced independently.
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no none of the "coppers" have dates in the Book . The Star* below the head only exists in the Half crown and the half Crown it would be interesting to see if either match that obverse
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i had thought a dentist might be our best bet.....he/ she has about an equal chance of working out these teeth
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such a great connection
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that then the * under the head is interesting none of mine have it so perhaps there are 4 varieties again yours my additional variant and the ones in Rogers....I need to clean some carpets so the limitations of having low down dogs (sausage dogs) means I have to clean the stairs ...so will list them later . I suppose this is the interesting thing in these more fringe areas there are new discoveries to be added. I am glad someone else is interested
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Oh yes that is the same obverse as the Half crown then ? on one of mine the sea level is different
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yes they are rare I think this is why we do not have a full compliment of varieties and the task of examining them and taking images has improved a lot since the publication of the book. I hope Galata books might update the images
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My examples of the Crown are the same as in Rogers both of iron coated there are three variations ~'s 775 to 777 as there are 4 possible types in the sovereign I wonder if other varieties exists. Please look 3 Half Crown types I think I have found a third new type of Florin with differing letter sizes on the reverse and a second variation in the obverse I will take photos and list later
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The Hairy Head I thought I would carry on this as there are some interesting additions both these are 12.5 mm I will just copy what I have written in my Rogers and make sense of it later ! Rogers #770 in his example the Truncation is to the centre of the W and has teeth in this one the truncation is lower on the D. Both have a flaw at the TT of BRITT and on the V of VII and the "dot" is now an earring so perhaps an addition might be to add #770 * it is hard to see in the images in Rogers perhaps his rear truncation is the same I will have to check online at the Fitzwilliam collection . Two varieties seem to exist in the Sovereign 13.5 mm : one points nose to M the other nose slightly higher towards O and a small dot (pearl) on the neck below the ear. The gaps between titles is wider (such differences are fractional) so we perhaps can assume at least 2 runs were made with alterations. Evidence of this is a wonderful little error on the "no dot" type is an N over Z in OMN. Both are brass both Beaded so are likely Rogers # 771 the reverse date is larger on the no dot type so it is likely that there is an addition to be included ~771 * N over Z N over Z pearl on neck too date types earring type
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it makes collecting so much nicer when you know the personalities behind the collections. In my youth I have several good friends who were vicars who made some unique collections of minerals or fossils from the area they came from. It was I suppose the tail end of Victorian Vicars involved in the collection of natural history, they were gentlemen and took up gentleman's pursuits. I am not sure if they do these days. I am happy there are some fans of these wonderful coins sometimes the work seems magical considering the size . Finding information on the production seems almost impossible though.
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I think I almost have a full set the half penny I dont think is listed I have sovereign through to half penny. I have a couple of new ones which have a new borders and a new florin variety , somehow the hairy heads looks better than the Lauer Edward VII's
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I will check through my examples of Hairy Heads and get back to you ...they are yes certainly rare . Oh that is a lovely story I did not realise he was a vicar
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