Michael-Roo

Yes! 1660 would be great .

Here y'go…... http://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/great-britain-1934-wreath-crown-copy-coins/117636_1905360743.html

Obviously, I wouldn't want to diss anyone in the absence of solid evidence but, I do think it worth pointing out, the history suddenly goes from loads of car parts to wreath crowns. Have you also noted how each example looks exactly the same? Same soapy surface. Same wear to the bust. If I'm wrong I apologise unreservedly. Maybe they're kosher. I don't know...

Excellent. That's my evening sorted then.

Nice Metcalfe photo. Regarding this recent splurge of fantasy and repro coins produced and offered in editions of 18/20 or whatever: 3D printers are now capable of executing these from a powdered precious metal base. Something to consider?…...

Either way, a truly horrible specimen. Wouldn't give it house room…..

Maybe a tad better than that?

Certainly not as late as 1707. All hammered coinage was withdrawn from circulation in the 1690's. That's not to say it didn't come from your wreck. It may have been a pocket piece/curio carried by a member of the crew. Who knows? Either way, a very nice find.

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It is also worth noting the design and size of Britannia is different on this coin to that which usually appears on the reverse of most 1694 1/4ds.

All obverse stops omitted. Single exergue line. Rated extremely rare by Colin Cooke.

The better of two from my collection. Clear missing stop and a particularly nice reverse. Possibly also portrait one. Please see Colin Cooke's excellent notes on the 1694 varieties. All currency coins viewed during his research were portrait two apart from a single 'no stop after Maria' which was portrait one. Portrait one otherwise occurs for proofs BMC 623 and 624 only. The little differences mentioned in the notes and visible in photographs could suggest my coin is portrait one.

Ahoy! You're both correct. It's a strange thing. In the past I've seen varieties with a buy it now price languishing on ebay for months, even after the vendor has offered a reduction. Then along comes a lesser example, listed with a 99p starting price, and ends up selling for much more than the first coin. I suppose it must be bidders are either not searching as comprehensively as they should or are falling into a bidding frenzy as the end time approaches. I've sometimes found it worth asking a vendor if they are willing to take a reasonable offer on a buy it now, even if 'or best offer' isn't mentioned on the listing, particularly if the coin has been on there for some time. As they say; "If y'don't ask, y'don't get.'……..

I think that's probably true. Always popular. Higher grades sometimes realise surprising prices.

My apologies. I see YOU are George Coins! I would think £79 is probably a fair price for your example.

I'm not really sure. The Spink price is £200 for fine. I suppose mine's a bit better that that. So yours might be fine? No records of a sale in recent years on the London Coins site. George Coins have one at £79 but its pretty worn (VG?). Lucky old us. I think this one is still holding up as a rare variety.

Another from my collection. A nice example of this rare variety.

Again from my 1694 halfpennies. A pity the grade isn't better but another rare variety all the same.

Continuing my attempt to raise the profile of early milled copper on the forum….. Another from my collection. A rare variety. Not often seen.

I found record of a beautiful example sold by DNW in 2008 for £750. Surely the finest known? http://www.dnw.co.uk/auction-archive/special-collections/lot.php?specialcollection_id=147&specialcollectionpart_id=81&lot_id=95045

I did post images of this one on an earlier thread a little while ago but, on the back of my recent thread regarding the 1673 no stops farthing and Scott's concerning the BRITA NIA halfpenny, I thought it might be worth putting them up again here. Another rare and recognised early milled variety. Unbarred A's and the I over an inverted V? The few examples I've seen are in a grade comparable with my own coin. If any forum members also have one of these I'd love to see some photos. Ta!

PS: You like your early copper varieties. I don't suppose you have a 1673 no stops farthing too, do you? I'm still hoping for other forum members to come forward with other examples.

You're quite right! Pre 1797 1/4d and 1/2d copper is a great series. Lots to look out for and still new things to be discovered. I'll dig out some of my own oddities and post on here as we go.

Believe me when I say I'm WILLING these to be missing N Scott. I love the William 1/2ds and find the varieties fascinating. What troubles me is how common it is to find coins from the series which display areas of strike so weak as to render portions of the design and legend all but non existent. Another thing to consider would be this: if the variety is as super rare as Peck and Nicholson say it is, how were you able to discover two new ones so easily? I'm not dissing your coins, just being level headed about them. If both are BRITA NIA I'll be as pleased as you.

http://www.colincooke.com/coinpages/nicholson_part2.html Coins 102 and 103 here described. 102 refers to the Peck example. 103 is unconfirmed. Unfortunately, neither photograph is clear enough to confirm as viewed on screen.