Michael-Roo

Who's this MP bloke, then?

I wonder what best offer would secure it? The 'buy it now' price is a bit rich. I'm not considering making an offer (just in case you thought I was!). As P says: Fancying? Yes! Affording? No!!

Are the penny collectors fancying this one?…. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1869-VICTORIA-ONE-PENNY-VERY-RARE-HIGH-GRADE-EXAMPLE-A-UNCIRCULATED-/161397918412?pt=UK_Coins_BritishMilled_RL&hash=item259410cacc

If you can get EF for 2 grand or less, scoop them all up!

Its like someone had chucked molten metal across the obverse field. 1690s action painting!

This got me thinking. Would it be fun to ask members to upload images of their most unusual cud/die clutter coins? Here's one for starters. Plenty of extra metal on both obverse and reverse. Britannia sporting a backpack, on her way to a lacrosse game, in 1674? Ooparts!

Me too. I was interested to know if anyone else had seen the same thing. An unusual, and rather angular shape, for die clutter.

Very nice Si. Maybe one for the Unlisted Varieties thread?

Here's a 1694 1/4d. Normal type, apart from what looks like an extra letter A placed behind Britannia's head. Most odd. I'd be interested to hear what other Forum members may think. Anyone else seen this anomaly before?

PS: Re: the left leg being thicker if it were an A: Would it not also be thicker if it were the upright bar of a T or an I?

'Tumbled T'. Wasn't he one of the Whitechapel Murders suspects? I agree. The oblique leg on the right should be thicker if it were an A. It does remain though, there is a corresponding left oblique leg too. Its foot gives the effect of an elongated foot to the foot of the overlying T. Could the underlying letter be an inverted or mirrored V?

Who knows? I suppose, most likely the price of a currency piece in the same grade plus a bit of a premium. William & Mary proof halfpennies and farthings turn up in everything from FDC down to VG, and they all seem to sell ok. It was sold to me simply as a 1717 halfpenny. It was me who noticed it could be a proof specimen. I've no intention of selling anyway. It was just something I thought fellow Forum members might like to see

Good point P. Worth mentioning though that the appalling quality of original strike has to be considered when looking at this series. I have some examples which would grade as VF or better yet some areas have been so weakly struck as to leave those parts of the design less visible (rather than as a result of wear). Did you notice my coin and the Nicholson good fine/fine example both have the exact same little bit of extra metal/die clutter near Brit's arm in the reverse field? Not important, just interesting. They must have been struck quite closely to each other. Any thoughts regarding the underlying oblique bar and extension to the foot of the T on the lefthand side?

I'm happy to go with that. As mentioned, even though I estimated as fine/near fine, the condition is comparable to the Nicholson good fine/fine, and I've been trusting to the photos in that collection when estimating the grades of my William III 1/2ds. I guess some of Nicholson's must be over graded then. As for the likelihood of the underlying letter being something other than an A I'm happy to consider that too (again, I was going with the description in Nicholson collection for this). I would point out though there is a corresponding oblique bar to the left of the T too, which isn't as obvious in the photo as I'd hoped it would be. However, something which is obvious is that the foot of that oblique gives an elongated appearance to the foot of the T on the left side. It would be nice to nail the overstrike with some certainty. Hopefully someone, somewhere, has a higher grade example for our consideration. Fascinating stuff either way…..

An unlisted variety for 1700. I have only been able to find three examples of this one. Two are in the Dr.Nicholson collection: The first graded Good Fine/Fine. The second, Fair. Dr.Nicholson rates the variety as 'extremely rare'. The third coin is my own (pictured). Although I would rate it as Fine/Near Fine it is comparable with the Good Fine/Fine Nicholson example. The overstrike is clear and unmistakeable.

May as well stick this one in here too as that's what this section is intended for... An unlisted variety but three examples are known. DNW auction, June 2006 (Fine). The Dr.Nicholson collection (Good Fine). My coin (pictured) (Very Fine). The overstrike is clear and unmistakeable.

Thanks Cop. The legend letters are larger and better executed than the currency too, aren't they. Did you take a look at my 1718 N over A in Britannia 1/2d? Apart from the DNW auction and Nicholson collection I've still not been able to find any reference to this variety. Asda graded it a VF. After another look I think I'd go with that too. Still much better than the two I was able find mention of (Fine, and good fine).

I've had this for a few years. Although it displays some wear I've always believed it to be a proof. Its a bit thicker than the currency examples I have. The design is in higher relief, and the toothed border much more sharply defined. Also; the colour is a milk chocolate shade, lighter than would usually be expected for one of these. What do you think? As usual: apologies for the less than stupendous photography. I really must get a better phone….

My attempts at re-photographing were rather poor. Way too dark. So, I've adjusted the original photos. A slight improvement, but still not showing as much detail as I'd hoped. The coin is much better than this (sharp hair curls, armour, Brit's face etc)….

Hi A. The coin is much sharper than these photos would suggest. I'll try to get better ones later today. Its certainly better than other 1717/1718 halfpennies I have which I would consider VF. The Nicholson example didn't sell, but I've found record of a DNW auction in June 2006 where one in Fine condition sold for £100. This, and the Nicholson collection listing are the only references I can find. http://www.dnw.co.uk/auction-archive/prices-realised/results.php?auction_id=81&layout=detailed&offset=400&limit=80

Here's a 1718 dump halfpenny GVF with the first N of Britannia struck over an A. An unrecorded variety, but I see there is a less well preserved example (GF) which appears in the Dr. Basil Nicholson collection where it is described as 'extremely rare'. Would anyone care to suggest a value for my coin? Thanks all.

Apologies. That was was sloppily written. I have two 1673 no obverse stops farthings. One almost fine. One bold good fine. There. That's better. Re: The 1889 crown: F. Again, go with P's grading. Nice coin, NVF at best.

Actually, when I said 'NVF' I was being optimistic. Its very nice but, I think P is more accurate. I'd probably be happier with 'bold' good fine (now there's a contentious grading, if ever there was one!)….. I have a 1673 no obverse stops farthing. Colin Cooke's notes say he knew of only four examples. None better than good fine. Indeed, the one in his collection is only near fine (IMHO), although he listed it as fine. I have two. One near fine (similar in grade to his). The other what I would describe as (here we go again) bold good fine. Who knows. Maybe one of the best examples surviving? Should I upload images?

Pretty close F. I'd be most likely to say near Very Fine?

Thank you Chris. I just happened to be going through my tray of C18th tokens and noticed this overdate. I've had most of these for 20+ years, so its odd I'd not noticed before. This afternoon I've been consulting the D&H book online and it seems to be No.89, which they list as RRR. Nice to know but of no importance. I'm not looking to sell it.