Michael-Roo

Thanks for the photo Rob. Not as bad as you suggest. Nicely struck, and a different reverse die to mine. Scott: Thanks for the note. What looks to be a scrap of a second exergue line is in fact a tiny scratch. Hard to tell from the photo but its incuse, not raised as it would be if the remnant of a line.

Thanks Rob. Do you have a photo? Also: I was just now looking at the photos I've included in my post. Do you think there's something going on underneath the R of Rex?

Is this one acceptable as an unconfirmed variety? There is a specimen graded fine in the Nicholson collection which he was pretty certain about but he had hoped to see a better example in order to confirm it. I see both Scott and Michael Gouby also have examples but, unfortunately, the condition of each is rather poor. My own coin is the best of the bunch (see attached). The single line is clear and I can find no trace of a second (which would suggest a filled or worn die). I'm also including here a photo of the exergue and date of one of the other 1739s I have for comparison. The double line is unmistakeable on this second coin. I'd be most grateful for your thoughts, and would like to know if any other forum members have one of these too. Ta.

Yes! 1660 would be great .

Here y'go…... http://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/great-britain-1934-wreath-crown-copy-coins/117636_1905360743.html

Obviously, I wouldn't want to diss anyone in the absence of solid evidence but, I do think it worth pointing out, the history suddenly goes from loads of car parts to wreath crowns. Have you also noted how each example looks exactly the same? Same soapy surface. Same wear to the bust. If I'm wrong I apologise unreservedly. Maybe they're kosher. I don't know...

Excellent. That's my evening sorted then.

Nice Metcalfe photo. Regarding this recent splurge of fantasy and repro coins produced and offered in editions of 18/20 or whatever: 3D printers are now capable of executing these from a powdered precious metal base. Something to consider?…...

Either way, a truly horrible specimen. Wouldn't give it house room…..

Maybe a tad better than that?

Certainly not as late as 1707. All hammered coinage was withdrawn from circulation in the 1690's. That's not to say it didn't come from your wreck. It may have been a pocket piece/curio carried by a member of the crew. Who knows? Either way, a very nice find.

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It is also worth noting the design and size of Britannia is different on this coin to that which usually appears on the reverse of most 1694 1/4ds.

All obverse stops omitted. Single exergue line. Rated extremely rare by Colin Cooke.

The better of two from my collection. Clear missing stop and a particularly nice reverse. Possibly also portrait one. Please see Colin Cooke's excellent notes on the 1694 varieties. All currency coins viewed during his research were portrait two apart from a single 'no stop after Maria' which was portrait one. Portrait one otherwise occurs for proofs BMC 623 and 624 only. The little differences mentioned in the notes and visible in photographs could suggest my coin is portrait one.

Ahoy! You're both correct. It's a strange thing. In the past I've seen varieties with a buy it now price languishing on ebay for months, even after the vendor has offered a reduction. Then along comes a lesser example, listed with a 99p starting price, and ends up selling for much more than the first coin. I suppose it must be bidders are either not searching as comprehensively as they should or are falling into a bidding frenzy as the end time approaches. I've sometimes found it worth asking a vendor if they are willing to take a reasonable offer on a buy it now, even if 'or best offer' isn't mentioned on the listing, particularly if the coin has been on there for some time. As they say; "If y'don't ask, y'don't get.'……..

I think that's probably true. Always popular. Higher grades sometimes realise surprising prices.

My apologies. I see YOU are George Coins! I would think £79 is probably a fair price for your example.

I'm not really sure. The Spink price is £200 for fine. I suppose mine's a bit better that that. So yours might be fine? No records of a sale in recent years on the London Coins site. George Coins have one at £79 but its pretty worn (VG?). Lucky old us. I think this one is still holding up as a rare variety.

Another from my collection. A nice example of this rare variety.

Again from my 1694 halfpennies. A pity the grade isn't better but another rare variety all the same.

Continuing my attempt to raise the profile of early milled copper on the forum….. Another from my collection. A rare variety. Not often seen.

I found record of a beautiful example sold by DNW in 2008 for £750. Surely the finest known? http://www.dnw.co.uk/auction-archive/special-collections/lot.php?specialcollection_id=147&specialcollectionpart_id=81&lot_id=95045

I did post images of this one on an earlier thread a little while ago but, on the back of my recent thread regarding the 1673 no stops farthing and Scott's concerning the BRITA NIA halfpenny, I thought it might be worth putting them up again here. Another rare and recognised early milled variety. Unbarred A's and the I over an inverted V? The few examples I've seen are in a grade comparable with my own coin. If any forum members also have one of these I'd love to see some photos. Ta!

PS: You like your early copper varieties. I don't suppose you have a 1673 no stops farthing too, do you? I'm still hoping for other forum members to come forward with other examples.