ozjohn

Quite right. A high grade coin does not always equate to a desirable coin.

After rephotographing the coin I think the actual wear on the obverse is very small apart from the scratches and given the quality of the reverse I think high AU/low MS is probably the correct grade however due the the strike quality the photo of the obverse the coin is not a thing of beauty although it does look a lot better in hand. The right hand photo was taken at a small angle and does not enhance the effigy to any great degree. One thing I did notice is the middle bar in the E of REX which looks like the forked tongue of a snake and quite different to the E in George and DEI.

It seems this coin has generated the same uncertainty on this forum as it has with me with grades from gVF to MS. Thanks for your comments much appreciated. When I looked at the coin the other day under a LED ceiling light the kings effigy appeared almost fully defined hair, beard eyebrow etc which does not agree with the photo. I'll try photographing again at an angle to see if it picks up these details and post the result.

I've had this coin for a while and find it hard to form an opinion on its grading. The picture was taken using a macro lens in ambient light. I have to say the coin in hand looks much better with the king's eyebrow fully defined which is one of the first points of wear. The reverse looks to be of a high grade. Comments please.

If you look at the 1927 crown the Kings's eyebrow can be seen with the hair of the eyebrow showing. Perhaps on the 1928 halfcrown for some it can be seen while on others it cannot. Only a suggestion as I only noticed the hair on the eyebrow after obtaining a 1927 crown where the effigy is larger and I am assuming this was included in the effigy for the other ME issues. The 1928 proof halfcrown held by the Victoria museum is a cracking coin.

This one looks like a fake probably better than most being offered? No mention of copy restrike etc https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Bare-Bust-GEORGIUS-IV-Garnished-Shield-HalfCrown-DIEU-ET-MON-DROIT-1829/312578853060?_trkparms=aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D56113%26meid%3Dc65e2f9db94745fd91752f9e5724ce48%26pid%3D100675%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D15%26sd%3D312578853060%26itm%3D312578853060&_trksid=p2481888.c100675.m4236&_trkparms=pageci%3A848977e4-633c-11e9-a5b4-74dbd18024e9|parentrq%3A399c7e3f16a0ab66e3220cc6ffe4a76f|iid%3A1

And the people who spread this stuff.

This is typical of the c**p that goes around. Straight from my sister's Facebook posts. Typical propaganda ploy to belittle your opponents by branding them as stupid

I recently had a visit from my niece who is a doctor in New Zealand and as it happens she supports remaining in the EU where I hold the opposite view. My niece's answer to that was " of course you are old" . I seems to be the way if you disagree instead of an argue on the merits or otherwise insult your opponent a la Trump voters by the liberals . The other one that seems to figure in the Brexit debate is the leavers were too stupid to understand the issues when while the liberal remainders due to their superior intellects voted to stay.

Do you want to include children etc? To vote you must be on the electoral roll otherwise there is no control on people multiple voting, under age and non citizens voting Eliminating these are the things that give credibility to election results. I'm afraid your open voting idea is untenable and the result would have no credibility and would be even more contested.

Brexit Referendum result: 51.9% leave 117410742 votes . 48.1% stay 16141241 votes. Informal 26033 votes. Electorate 46.5 million Turnout 72.2% Garry D, Where do your 50 million voters come from who need a "duty of Care" with a total electorate of only 46.5 million? There was a clear majority of votes to leave as shown above with a turn out of the electorate of 72.2 % which is higher than most general elections. For example for the 2016 UK general election the turnout of the electorate was 68.7% of those eligible to vote. I suppose you now want to argue that not everyone voted at the Brexit referendum. I'm afraid low voter turnout seems to be a feature of UK elections. Perhaps next time the electorate may take more trouble to get off their buts and vote on important issues. Maybe the UK should adopt the Australian system where it is compulsory to turn up at the polling station and have your name checked off the electoral roll otherwise you will cop a $50 fine Most people then vote having had to make the effort to attend the polling station. However you can still exercise your right not to vote if you wish but at least you have to think about it. I'm afraid your argument doesn't hold water. Sorry Chingford I think I am covering the same ground as you. We do have preferential voting in Australia but It is not relevant to referendums as they normally require a Yes/No answer. However in Australia a referendum is mainly for changes to the constitution (A bill of the House of Commons). A majority of votes and States are required for the referendum to be carried. As it happens there have been 44 referendums since federation of which only 8 have carried.

Ok. To recalibrate the AMR coin is say MS 61 (gEF) to AU 58 (EF) if you believe the vendors grade. I still think the NGC graded coin is a tad better than the AMR listed coin and possibly undergraded. Which is unusual for me as I usually whinge about overgraded TPG 'ed coins. The NGC coin is also better value especially if you buy it via the vendor's site. Quoting from https://www.thesprucecrafts.com/sheldon-scale-of-coin-grading-768380 it describes MS 60 as no sign of circulation where the coin is only effected by bag marks etc. The less of this the higher the MS number. Whereas gEF (UK) still talks about wear due to circulation on the coin. I think we are now entering the subjective area of coin grading to what is wear and damage caused by the minting and handling process,

Just found another 1905 Halfcrowm https://www.amrcoins.com/coins-for-sale/MS-0509C/ which is graded at as gEF by the vendor which equates to AU58. A grading I would not disagree with. Personally I think the Cooper Coins offering is the better coin (not by far) and cheaper if you buy it direct from the vendor.

One man's meat etc. IMO From the photo I think the coin has possibly been under graded by NGC. Given some of the examples in the past from TPGs MS 61/2 may be more appropriate.

A photo of Saturday's Australian Newspaper which is circulated through out the Commonwealth. I think it demonstrates that the Brexit issue is closely followed with interest in Australia. In fact I do not think Australia has ever forgiven the UK for joining the EU. It has to be said the ABC our national radio/TV service is towing the BBC anti Brexit rhetoric.

I saw this one listed on Ebay https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/EDWARD-VII-1905-SILVER-HALFCROWN-KEY-DATE-NGC-AU58/273780292675?hash=item3fbe93bc43:g:XWgAAOSwmetcnLrn Buy now for GBP 6495 its a NGC slabbed coin graded at AU 58. My Spink 20i6 lists it at GBP 5250. Seems to be a good coin perhaps the price is on the heavyside but they don't come on the market very often.

Unfortunately Norway means no input to the EU workings but having to abide by them which is worse than the UK's present situation with the EU.. I think the only viable options are leave with no deal or crawl back to the EU with your tail between your legs and tell them it was all a big mistake. Seems to me the government is not prepared at present to entertain either. However in the end they will have it forced to make a decision and along with the political fallout. It's also likely that the EU will force their hand. PS I'm wearing my Mr. Grumpy shirt.

The problem is completely the fault of a government that cannot accept the results of a referendum they commissioned. Now they are trying every method to frustrate Brexit even suggesting a second referendum. Who knows what the outcome of that will be?. What I do know is it will stir up the Scotland independence issue again. I saw the Scotland First Minister exploiting the remain demo last week. If you go down that road you are likely to end up with two hard borders instead of one with Brexit

Came across this US dealer that may be of interest. Their range of British coins and tokens is impressive although expensive even more so via Ebay .https://atlasnumismatics.com/

Coinery, Ok you think it's ok, fine. I may be old fashioned but I call it interruption and talking over someone which I find is poor manners and very rude to edit some ones work in that fashion. I have never said Pekris2's comments should be censored just posted as a normal post not piggybacked on to another post. Sword, Pekris2 has been pretty sharp with me in the past on this topic.

Re: Rob's post above. Can't help yourself Pekris2 ?? As well as being incapable of writing your own stuff unless someone has something to say that offends your view you also fail to appreciate people are capable of thinking for themselfs and have more sense than you give them credit for

As mentioned in other posts "limited editions" seldom increase in value. A 1927 florin mintage 15000 cost now under GBP 200!

May's Brexit is still a cr.ock if she leaves or stays.

Dunno about Kew Gardens coins. Have you seen the entry cost to Kew gardens( GBP 16.50). Mt Cootha botanical Gardens here in Brisbane which are like the Kew glasshouse with no roof are free.

Jerry, An accurate appraisal of the UK situation. Thank you.