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Ok. To recalibrate the AMR coin is say MS 61 (gEF) to AU 58 (EF) if you believe the vendors grade. I still think the NGC graded coin is a tad better than the AMR listed coin and possibly undergraded. Which is unusual for me as I usually whinge about overgraded TPG 'ed coins. The NGC coin is also better value especially if you buy it via the vendor's site. Quoting from https://www.thesprucecrafts.com/sheldon-scale-of-coin-grading-768380 it describes MS 60 as no sign of circulation where the coin is only effected by bag marks etc. The less of this the higher the MS number. Whereas gEF (UK) still talks about wear due to circulation on the coin. I think we are now entering the subjective area of coin grading to what is wear and damage caused by the minting and handling process,

Just found another 1905 Halfcrowm https://www.amrcoins.com/coins-for-sale/MS-0509C/ which is graded at as gEF by the vendor which equates to AU58. A grading I would not disagree with. Personally I think the Cooper Coins offering is the better coin (not by far) and cheaper if you buy it direct from the vendor.

One man's meat etc. IMO From the photo I think the coin has possibly been under graded by NGC. Given some of the examples in the past from TPGs MS 61/2 may be more appropriate.

A photo of Saturday's Australian Newspaper which is circulated through out the Commonwealth. I think it demonstrates that the Brexit issue is closely followed with interest in Australia. In fact I do not think Australia has ever forgiven the UK for joining the EU. It has to be said the ABC our national radio/TV service is towing the BBC anti Brexit rhetoric.

I saw this one listed on Ebay https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/EDWARD-VII-1905-SILVER-HALFCROWN-KEY-DATE-NGC-AU58/273780292675?hash=item3fbe93bc43:g:XWgAAOSwmetcnLrn Buy now for GBP 6495 its a NGC slabbed coin graded at AU 58. My Spink 20i6 lists it at GBP 5250. Seems to be a good coin perhaps the price is on the heavyside but they don't come on the market very often.

Unfortunately Norway means no input to the EU workings but having to abide by them which is worse than the UK's present situation with the EU.. I think the only viable options are leave with no deal or crawl back to the EU with your tail between your legs and tell them it was all a big mistake. Seems to me the government is not prepared at present to entertain either. However in the end they will have it forced to make a decision and along with the political fallout. It's also likely that the EU will force their hand. PS I'm wearing my Mr. Grumpy shirt.

The problem is completely the fault of a government that cannot accept the results of a referendum they commissioned. Now they are trying every method to frustrate Brexit even suggesting a second referendum. Who knows what the outcome of that will be?. What I do know is it will stir up the Scotland independence issue again. I saw the Scotland First Minister exploiting the remain demo last week. If you go down that road you are likely to end up with two hard borders instead of one with Brexit

Came across this US dealer that may be of interest. Their range of British coins and tokens is impressive although expensive even more so via Ebay .https://atlasnumismatics.com/

Coinery, Ok you think it's ok, fine. I may be old fashioned but I call it interruption and talking over someone which I find is poor manners and very rude to edit some ones work in that fashion. I have never said Pekris2's comments should be censored just posted as a normal post not piggybacked on to another post. Sword, Pekris2 has been pretty sharp with me in the past on this topic.

Re: Rob's post above. Can't help yourself Pekris2 ?? As well as being incapable of writing your own stuff unless someone has something to say that offends your view you also fail to appreciate people are capable of thinking for themselfs and have more sense than you give them credit for

As mentioned in other posts "limited editions" seldom increase in value. A 1927 florin mintage 15000 cost now under GBP 200!

May's Brexit is still a cr.ock if she leaves or stays.

Dunno about Kew Gardens coins. Have you seen the entry cost to Kew gardens( GBP 16.50). Mt Cootha botanical Gardens here in Brisbane which are like the Kew glasshouse with no roof are free.

Jerry, An accurate appraisal of the UK situation. Thank you.

DaveG38, Perhaps. However the application to leave under A 50 was applied for by the UK and accepted by the EU who are the only people who can rescind it. As you can see the EU is using this to put pressure on UK MPs who do not want to leave without a deal. As it stands the UK has painted its self into a corner and a no deal Brexit is the likely outcome. Perhaps that's May's strategy! Personally I do not think this is a bad thing for the UK. I have to say If the UK in the top ten of world economies cannot thrive on its own there must be something seriously wrong with the country. Prior to signing up to Treaty of Rome the UK managed to operate as a successful country. No shortages of food or medications or other scares put about. The ports and customs worked ok as well (subject to industrial action). It has to be said in its negotiations for Brexit the UK has not acted like a country of this stature.

Pekris2 you are at it again marking other people's work like a frustrated old school master. This a forum where people express ideas and you are overstepping the line by annotating their posts with your ramblings. IF YOU HAVE THING TO SAY WRITE YOUR OWN POST. On the subject. A delay in Brexit seems to have been arranged . It seems a month subject to an acceptance of May's deal being passed. Assuming the parliament is allowed by the speaker to debate and vote on the motion it still needs a massive change of heart by MPs. A no deal is looking increasing likely.

CGS?

When you see some of the grading decisions from TPGs it's probably a combination of all three.

Cigarette machines took a florin for a packet of ten. Always felt good using an Australian florin to buy a packet of cigarettes. Trouble was Australian florins were sterling up to 1946 and 50% silver until decimalisation in 1966 so we were fooling our selves.I gave up smoking in 1973 when I started uni. A packet of Camel or Chesterfield cost 85 centts at the time.

As it happens 3 pre 1920 florins contain 1 oz. of silver which was worth about 15/- at the time. For post 1920 3 florins are worth about 7s 6d. Giving a premium of 1s 6d. At the time I remember dealers offering twice face value for scrap pre 1920 silver coins. I cannot remember any premium offered for post 1920 silver coins but it probably encouraged people to hoard them. Neither did it clean up the pre 1920 silver coins given the amount that still seem to be around.

100% correct.

A double florin? First issued in 1887.

I find this annotating and vetting of posts insulting. It is like you are not allowed to have an opinion. Rob's opinion is just as valid as anyone else. If you disagree at least have the courtesy to write your verson rather than correct someone else's like a schoolmaster. I used Rob's post as an example as it was the most recent case but comments I have posted have been annotated in a similar way in the past.

Some time ago a NGC video was posted that clearly shows NGC graders handling coins with bare hands leaving the subject coin exposed to finger prints, fallout from sneezing etc. and I do not remember any degreasing proceedure with acetone to remove tis contamination before placing the coin in a capsule. Perhaps this could be the source of contamination that can cause the coin to deteriorate after slabbing.

Very well put Rob. Reading between the lines and given that May's deal was un acceptable the UK ha only two real options if Article 50 cannot be rescinded. These are leave with no deal or go back to the EU and rejoin on much worse terms than exist now. As you say any extension is really living on borrowed time. and hands the EU the opportunity to tighten the screws even further. As an outside chance a general election that delivers to the government an overwhelming result to leave may shift the EU but somehow I doubt it.