secret santa

As Ian says, this is the result of a die clash and definitely NOT a "distinct ribbon knot". Some people may find it collectable, but it is not, in my view, an intentional or accidental man-made "variety". I have an example myself but I haven't even bothered to distinguish it from a "normal" 1859 large date penny.

Yes, the legend spacing is quite different between pennies and halfpennies. See my websites below for pictures.

It's exactly the same - they haven't changed a thing.

Oh dear, time to leave this Forum I guess.

Yes, at a certain angle with my coin above you can detect the H.

Come on guys, I go to this thread for a chuckle, not to read personal remarks.

Very similar to a coin of mine

Yes, there is no substitute for pictures of the actual coin.

I did message the seller to tell him what it was but he chose not to amend the description and luckily several people recognised it.

I have now added this type to my rarest pennies site and would be grateful to see any other examples.

Ever since Michael Freeman gave a degree of "validation" to this sort of flaw by recording the 1897 Dot as F147, more and more examples have been found. The following is an excerpt from the page on Dot pennies on my rarest pennies site. https://rarestpennies.wordpress.com/scarce-dot-pennies/ There are many examples of pennies with small raised circular “dots” on either the obverse or reverse, now thought to be caused by a rust spot on a working die which eventually is removed by successive strikes leaving an incuse area which produces the raised flaw when creating the coin (see my article in Coin News June 2022 quoting Paul Holland's investigations into the cause).

Best of luck with all those tests, Rob.

All Greek to me, I'm afraid.

As I wrote in an earlier post - Regarding pennies, an addition not incorporated into the 1985 edition: Page 31, number 80A (1875 8+H with H below date) - can we assume that this coin does not exist ? Some of the changes/additions were incorporated in the 1985 edition but at least one (the one above) was not. I have only checked the comments on pennies.

Get in quick for this one: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/187859014593?itmmeta=01KCWD3RSPGS13XT0BRGS6G0P9&hash=item2bbd4513c1:g:jDsAAeSwnv1pRbEi&itmprp=enc%3AAQAKAAAA4FkggFvd1GGDu0w3yXCmi1fvsd0HwSoi3YVy3fEVKmzOU8EzcZuz8p%2FWljDDMPKaHkCqMoBVOUyU20uY%2Fk16edJXx5F6RDVCUVj8YBpZ0bcKH4TvJgCIt53fO1P%2BB7p7IPC3zyoGCpItoclwOlycCLt6syNuMKQL398SvgN%2FRbMQ5CT6ipDKzZzuKktdX4sH%2B8qBURpxXSMEif7ItzhiHxh%2FixUe1Ps9LJIKs31ia1sUwLyxkzevXuUrmv51nI5KQUj9qzfXRVg2jy%2BvtCqCJgBBXqOe%2Bv5PwAVO1oJdvZ50|tkp%3ABk9SR4aNj43nZg