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Did you get any of the other Proofs Richard, I was tempted by the 1853?

There were 4 nice Proof Victorian Coppers sold at Heritage a couple of days ago, the most expensive (worst condition of the four imo) was this 1859 at $5520. Interesting that the 59 date style on the proof is the same one which was over-stamped with 60 for the rare variety 1860/59

One was sold by London Coins in December 2016 for £400 + BP (Ex-Findlow, see link); I can't see that they have sold another one since. http://www.londoncoins.co.uk/?page=Pastresults&auc=155&searchlot=1202&searchtype=2 Other than yours, and the one Bob sold to Tony C, I am only aware of one other which I saw briefly on ebay (think about a year ago) and then it disappeared...…..not sure why! So my feeling is that it is rarer than the 1897 Dot, and probably on a par with the 1875 Canon Ball. Maybe other members know of additional examples, would be good to hear.

Did you buy it Mike?

I have similar on an F29

For reference, here's a close up of the London Coins type...……..where the serif doesn't look like an afterthought

Hi Cliff, how are you keeping? Was thinking maybe it's a trick 'double heads' penny then!!

Agreed Jerry, I think that these two types (pictures attached) both have downward serifs which point differently to the London Coins one which Mike has pictured

Did I miss something on this one, went for about twice what I expected? https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1860-QUEEN-VICTORIA-GREAT-BRITAIN-BUN-HEAD-BRONZE-PENNY-1D-COIN-/362550780257?nma=true&si=KU3owCk%2BD8%2Fos%2F2s%2FhI7oP0uhRo%3D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557 Perhaps some interesting ghosting, a flying ship and a broken index finger...………...… but I thought that all these things were quite common!

We're just back from The Gambia where they call the Dutch people Hollandish!!

Excellent, pretty sure that a pedant would want that correcting!!

D & H has the YORK Number 70 as 'Scarce', see bottom of first attachment. But I have found another reference by S.H. Hamer (second attachment) which says that only 200 of these were struck. Is that a printing error, because surely the rarity could not be just 'Scarce' if only that number were struck. I would have thought it would get an R rating, probably RRR. Thanks for any education offered.

That's excellent thanks Paulus, your help is much appreciated. The 3 coins I bought all seem to look even better 'in the hand'. All the best, Ian

Many thanks for this information. May I ask if numbers 63 to 67 which you have shown on this page are the only York tokens documented in this book, or are there more following on the next page? I did buy a couple of James Carlille HP tokens just the other day which I would have expected to see, these are pictured below. Thanks again,

Can anyone help with more information on this coin please? I do not own the coin; it is a picture I put into my reference notes many years ago when I bought a YORK Clifford's Tower + Minster 1795 Half Penny, but I don't think I have ever seen another York Minster one paired with QUEENS BAYS Cavalry...………….. so think it must be a rare piece. Not my area of expertise, but think I may now want to collect the YORK (my home town) Tokens as a bit of a side-line to Victoria Pennies, so if anyone can help improve my knowledge of those pieces that would be much appreciated.

….and here is a close up of the overdate on that coin. The 4/4 more convincing, with the front of the underneath 4 quite clear...………..as highlighted (red arrows)

One I picked up a few years ago. Don't really collect this series, so would sell to a serious buyer, plz PM me if interested.

Thanks Terry, another forum member has also contacted me and said 4/4, looks like plain tail 4 corrected to new crosslet 4

Any thoughts on what's going on underneath the numeral 4 on this 1854 penny?

I often don't trust the 'colons pointing to whatever' method; in my experience you can get fooled by pictures taken at a slant........and many of them on ebay are low definition and/or not sufficiently in focus in the vital areas...…...at least with the teeth count you can miss (or add) the odd one by mistake and still be fairly sure...…..same goes for checking rose and bust area imo

The "detached at top knuckle index finger" variety perhaps?👈 I sometimes have to count the teeth to tell an F10 and F13 apart...….always annoys me when I have to resort to that!

Did I miss something on this penny, clearly NOT the rarer obverse 5 (as advertised), and with reverse scratches surely not worth anywhere near final bid:- https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1860-QUEEN-VICTORIA-GREAT-BRITAIN-BRONZE-PENNY-1D-COIN-/362439705234?nordt=true&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.m43663.l10137

Thanks for comments, doesn't look like been in acid, but does look like weak strike as Rob suspected. Pictures now attached; seems to be half the weight of the proper 2p at 3.56 grams as opposed to 7.12 grams.

I picked up a 1971 2p which weighs only 3.55 grams, almost exactly half the normal weight. It also looks half the thickness, all obverse / reverse features look correct to me although I am no expert on post decimalisation coins. Anyone seen one of these before, is it worth anything over and above the norm...…...….don't expect I will keep it?