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No no no, be nice to him, please. I have six Churchill fuglies that I will sell him for a mere £100 eaches, then he can pawn them off for £600 eaches:) Going a bit OT here, on another forum we have had posters coming in and posting images of Russian coins or tokens and requesting valuation etc. You tell them it is a fake, and then you get the reply they have had it for decades and it can't possibly be a fake. Next thing they start flaming. Kind of makes you wonder why we bother with these nimwits.

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There are little hairline die cracks coming from just about every letter in the legend, that is a pretty dramatic penny.

Nary a clue, 'tis?

Just PM the images to me, I will host and post.

Like Chris says, there are a hardcore group of collectors like even myself that like the contemporary forgeries a lot more than the genuine mint articles. Think about it, for instance I have a counterfeit coin from the reign of Mary Queen of Scots, you have to realise that the penalty even for possession of such a thing, let alone passing it unwittingly and most of all making it in the first place was simple - death. It was not a lot different in England either. Even coppers were counterfeited, but usually not given the stiffest penalty, but silver was an automatic ticket to the gallows or whatever else at hand. For that reason counterfeits, and because of the great re-coinages in Britain at the beginning of the 18th century are now quite scarce. They got much more common after the 1780's, better equipment, better economy, great coin shortage and more lax interpretation of the law.

At least it didn't sell, but the bidders in their mis-informed state will just bid again on something similarly AT'ed.

I think it is very likely something that happened when it got the rest of the colouring on it, looks like it spent sometime with some contaminant somewhere.

I love how this AT garbage gets tombed in plarstic and sold for egregious sums of cash. I think I am going to have to get my pennies out and start putting them up in the broiler for awhile.

At least I get my way, not like when I have discussions with the wife boss, then it is her way or the highway.

That said, I used to be a bit of an accumulator, slash hoarder too, which is why I literally have 6000+ predecimal coins lying around in linen bags. Back in the day that was cool, but as Hussulo notes, quality does mean more than quantity. And I wish I could find someone that wants all those darned British coins.

When you argue with yourself, you are always right, just a factor of which opin takes precedence

Yes, but they are fiendishly scarce, though I saw a beater piece on eBay recently. There were not very many issued in Scotland, it was one of the scarce times when Scotland actually had almost enough base coinage in circulation. I really want a token from Cornwall.

Dontcha hate having to argue with yourself over the ID of a coin?

I have seen a few in deplorable condition from Lowestoft.

One area I would not advise collecting in is 17th century English tokens. There are over 20.000 varieties currently believed to be in existence, far to many to ever have a complete collection. Besides they are ugly designs, not much to see on them, not a lot of variation. They have gotten right pricey of late also. That asunder, I have my 17th Century Tokens here, but please do not collect them, they are my domain, mine all mine 17th Century English Tokens Check out the last on the page, it is my current fave.

Hope the person that broke it got an owie out of it for making it hard to discern what mint it in fact is. Seeing the obverse with the floreat B in Hyb, now I can appreciate the question regarding the mint.

Was Exeter spelt as Exoter then? I believe it is more likely Eboraci, or York myself.

Sorry, right now image uploads are not working whilst we haven't figured out quite what happened. Please attach the image to a PM, and I can put it on my host and post here.

The cheap stuff is available at hand, the good stuff resides with the bank.

Frankly I cannot understand having so much lying around the house, it is like begging for someone to relieve you of it.

The thing that gets me is the Geek at the PC repair place telling me it was DOA and was toast. I would make a bit of a stink about paying him to tell me that and then the PC being fixed by myself, but I know the owner and his wife pretty well and would rather not make a big deal further. Yesterday I finally got it back to it's original state with all my way out of date and non supported software that I am right partial to still loaded back on.

My CD burner gave out a few months ago, so I was living on borrowed time until I replaced it. Of course I didn't back anything up in awhile, so the HD crashed hard on Saturday. PC shoppe said could not be fixed, was terminal etc. So I went and picked it up to harvest the RAM and the other drives out for use in other PC's. But I hooked it up one last time, and it came back to life. Now everything is backed up on a Memory Stick, and I will never trust this beast again. I lost programmes, but no files. Word to the wise, back up back up back up. And don't always trust the Geek at teh computer shoppe.

Edward VIII is a popular theme and Richard Lobel was one of the more prescient about issuing these pieces, with the front image though it doesn't look like the same portrait as is typical of the Coincraft pieces.

Do you have an image of the other side? I wonder if these could be Coincraft repros?