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  1. Bawbees are notorious for having circulated deep into the 18th century by which time they were barely identifiable - so this rather decent 1679 example is an exception to the beater bawbee rule.
  2. Another well loved bawbee but from King Charles II and dated 1678. And another beater bawbee, this from 1677.
  3. Obviously this bawbee from King William III from 1697 circulated as a halfpenny deep into the 18th century given it's wear pattern
  4. Gotta love the large pennies from early in the reign of Victoria:
  5. Big piece of British bronze from the Birmingham Workhouse - quite possibly the largest numismatic object struck for actual circulation by Matthew Boulton's steam powered machinery - this weighs almost 2.5 ounces.
  6. And then his son Charles II was 6'1"
  7. Sure have to love Scottish denominations ie 40d. Largely a result of debasing the coinage and then revaluing it. England was fortunate that debasement only happened during the reign of Henry VIII - and the crown went back on the sterling standard early in the reign of Edward VI. In Scotland debasements started late in the 14th century and continued right up until the reign of Charles I when the currency was brought back to a fixed standard of 12:1 or briefly 13:1 during the late 17th century.
  8. Just a note on contemporary counterfeits - they were made to circulate and not fool future collectors - as noted above the penalties were stiff if the forgers were caught. Any counterfeits found in circulation by the authorities would have been destroyed - as a result forgeries are often quite a bit scarcer than the authentic coins. During Queen Mary of Scotland's reign French troops were billeted in Edinburgh - it is believed they were the guilty parties forging low value 2d coins ie bodles with bronze instead of billon as the authentic coins. The forged coins are quite scarce but have a history and are worth more than the reasonably common authentic bodles.
  9. They both look like the real things are supposed to - the writing on the edge is the lettered edge that was done when the coin was struck in a lettered collar. It was quite an innovation for the 17th century and was obviously used on higher denomination coins as a safeguard against clipping and counterfeiting. Unfortunately I don't have my 1676 crown imaged - but it circulated a long time - deep into the 18th century as it is also "loved"
  10. The one on the left, likely a half-groat, circulated for a very long time to get to that state. And the earliest monarch it could be would be EIII as half groats were not minted before his reign.
  11. Not oft are medieval mints still around that minted coins during the hammered era - here is an example of an Irish penny from King Edward I that was minted in Reginalds Tower in Waterford Ireland. Reginalds Tower Waterford
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  12. Groats were a very late 13th and mostly mid 14th century thing. They were released in small numbers during the reign of Edward I, but were minted in much larger numbers during the reign of Edward III
  13. A whole other gripe with Spink is the lumping of lots together - I can understand that with lower priced items - but pricier items that should stand alone in a lot are getting lumped in with lower priced items. I've occasioned decent pricier lots that got lumped with dribble that I didn't want and it stopped me from bidding because I don't want to deal with detritus.
  14. I'd be a bit more than chaffed if it was my consignment and they neglected to fulfill their obligation to sell at the best possible price with decent images.
  15. What I have found with "Image Pending" is that the more likely is they will never put an image up at all.
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