numismatist

Last post showed the Shilling and Sixpence Heres the HALFCROWN

I tried goggle "Fake rainbow toned coins" quite an eye opener E-How even tells you how to cook your Morgan Dollars in the oven. More seriously I now keep seeing incredible toned coins in the top london auctions..See photos of these 1746 proofs. They fetched world record prices . Are these " fake " tones ? ALL the 1746 Proofs I've seen in the past had dull tones.

Most of his coins are what he calls " Rainbow Toned " His 1964 Kennedy Half Dollar is $2000.00 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! They normal sell for silver scrap price but he has thousands of sales so the USA must be full of mugs !

Ebay had these two just for comparison 140744342273 £50.25 6th May 370593101657 £131.00 8th April

Ebay had these two just for comparison 140744342273 £50.25 6th May 370593101657 £131.00 8th April

I think " azda " has got it right. Even at £20.00 each I would leave well alone. Spink had this one estimated £100/£120 and it was unsold as no one wanted it ( Lot 553 28th March 2012 )

and EF ones from 2004-2005 period Are we getting this quality now ? and what about say 50 years ago,anyone got clear photos from then to compare grading of that period and maybe todays grading...to see how grading standards have perhaps deteriorated

Spinks Grading 6 or 7 years ago. All three look pretty well acceptable as VERY FINE to me . Is this the quality we should expect for VF today ?

If thats PCGS Grading Standard its a JOKE ! I would expect it be called FINE if done by a professional to a set standard. In UK terms AU would be expected to be almost uncirculated . Maybe the colour is caused by a poor photo but if thats really how it looks its very strange indeed and appears to be gold plated ?

Ebay 190676139577 Please dont start a bidding war, as I may have a go on this one

It fetched £1936.00 in the end. Good price considering the flaw on Obverse. Appears that did not put of the bidders.

From earlier posts 11, Numerous Charles 1st Shillings have been noted that look very worrying

Another from UK Ebay 3006866232236 Sold at £59.22. It did say perhaps a copy ! and another UK one ...ebay 160784116800 ...Sold for £932.00 I think strange tone ? Lots for sale on Ebay , somehow dont seem to have a natural tone

There are large numbers on Ebay, never seen so many , and lots have a strange toned polished look. Photo shows Ebay 251045410624 a bargain ? that sold for £307.05 ...from HONG KONG ...Can it be right ?

I really hope all goes well for you Paulus. The 1763 Shilling is now becoming well recognised but I worry about what else there is out there, because it will not just be 1763 Shillings that are faked.There must be other fakes doing the rounds that have not yet been recogised. One concern is the large number of Gothic Crowns for sale on Ebay. I've never seen so many, and a lot seem to have a strange polished appearance but I cannot see anything that stands out as being entirely wrong as yet !

Sames dies as the previous fakes. You can just make out the scratches coming from the mouth. By the way Paulus how did your Australian 1763 Shilling work out ? I hope to the good for you

It certainly looks 100% genuine. Below £1500 you would be lucky to get it . I alway search by Spink Catalogue number ( in this case "3227a" ) on the DNW and Spinks Web sites and apart from the flaw that knocks it a bit, but who knows how much ?, those in similar grade have fetched around £1300 to £1800 plus 24% premium . I think its VF ? or close, but once they are that bit better £2000 seems to be the ball park figure , and if they get to EF plus they seem to get to around £3000.

Been searching, and can only find one sold by Spinks as a single coin since 1999 and that was estimated (2008) at £150-£200 and fetched £220 ( Thats £272.80 with premium ) They graded it " Small stain below bust otherwise uncirculated " Makes me think they must be pretty hard to find, so I'm feeling pleased I found it now. Photo added of the Spinks Low Tide Halfpenny

Thanks all, glad it is indeed a Low Tide, these Edward Coppers are quite weakly struck and difficult to get a decent photo of. Close up of detail added Thanks

Just found this, and hope I'm right it is the LOW TIDE Never found one before. Is this as good as they come ? It lists £50 EF in my 1969 Seabys Copper Coins which was very pricy for then. How rare are these please.

Thats more like it !. I think its a nice looking coin and the sellers photo did nothing to help his price , so I think you have come out winning. A very pleasant coin and seems very good value .

It has a strange colour, could it be a poor photo ? Does it look more like this in the hand ? Whatever its far better than VF

Nice find, and it looks genuine to me. If the weight is correct I would not doubt it. The specks could well be Iron or some other metal that has disolved in the soil it was in. As for cleaning, be very careful not to rub it , as it appears pretty well as it was struck as regards underlying condition and must have been pretty well mint when it was lost. Its best left as it is, apart from soaking for a few days in a mild soapy solution, as once things go wrong in cleaning, it pretty well impossible to reverse whats been done.

One factor in the high end Dealer buying and selling is the pretty universal added 24% added Buyers Premium. I dont know exactely what goes on in the Coin trade, but certainly in the Antique Trade and in some of the Medal trade, the Buyers Premium is highly negotiable and can be down to 10% to the high paying top end dealers who can also enjoy a 0% sellers premium, or even a minus -5% Sellers premium, thus getting say £1050.00 for a Coin thats sells in Auction for £1000.00. So there are many swings and round-abouts involved !

I believe the ones I keep seeing are in the main genuine sales, and I think "Peckris" perhaps has it right with it being the newer internet buyers who find these grossly "polished" Coins acceptable. They may greatly regret paying the prices they do, if one day they come to selling them as I'm sure the mainstrean dealers and auction houses will really knock them down as regards value when they see them.