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If thats PCGS Grading Standard its a JOKE ! I would expect it be called FINE if done by a professional to a set standard. In UK terms AU would be expected to be almost uncirculated . Maybe the colour is caused by a poor photo but if thats really how it looks its very strange indeed and appears to be gold plated ?

Ebay 190676139577 Please dont start a bidding war, as I may have a go on this one

It fetched £1936.00 in the end. Good price considering the flaw on Obverse. Appears that did not put of the bidders.

From earlier posts 11, Numerous Charles 1st Shillings have been noted that look very worrying

Another from UK Ebay 3006866232236 Sold at £59.22. It did say perhaps a copy ! and another UK one ...ebay 160784116800 ...Sold for £932.00 I think strange tone ? Lots for sale on Ebay , somehow dont seem to have a natural tone

There are large numbers on Ebay, never seen so many , and lots have a strange toned polished look. Photo shows Ebay 251045410624 a bargain ? that sold for £307.05 ...from HONG KONG ...Can it be right ?

I really hope all goes well for you Paulus. The 1763 Shilling is now becoming well recognised but I worry about what else there is out there, because it will not just be 1763 Shillings that are faked.There must be other fakes doing the rounds that have not yet been recogised. One concern is the large number of Gothic Crowns for sale on Ebay. I've never seen so many, and a lot seem to have a strange polished appearance but I cannot see anything that stands out as being entirely wrong as yet !

Sames dies as the previous fakes. You can just make out the scratches coming from the mouth. By the way Paulus how did your Australian 1763 Shilling work out ? I hope to the good for you

It certainly looks 100% genuine. Below £1500 you would be lucky to get it . I alway search by Spink Catalogue number ( in this case "3227a" ) on the DNW and Spinks Web sites and apart from the flaw that knocks it a bit, but who knows how much ?, those in similar grade have fetched around £1300 to £1800 plus 24% premium . I think its VF ? or close, but once they are that bit better £2000 seems to be the ball park figure , and if they get to EF plus they seem to get to around £3000.

Been searching, and can only find one sold by Spinks as a single coin since 1999 and that was estimated (2008) at £150-£200 and fetched £220 ( Thats £272.80 with premium ) They graded it " Small stain below bust otherwise uncirculated " Makes me think they must be pretty hard to find, so I'm feeling pleased I found it now. Photo added of the Spinks Low Tide Halfpenny

Thanks all, glad it is indeed a Low Tide, these Edward Coppers are quite weakly struck and difficult to get a decent photo of. Close up of detail added Thanks

Just found this, and hope I'm right it is the LOW TIDE Never found one before. Is this as good as they come ? It lists £50 EF in my 1969 Seabys Copper Coins which was very pricy for then. How rare are these please.

Thats more like it !. I think its a nice looking coin and the sellers photo did nothing to help his price , so I think you have come out winning. A very pleasant coin and seems very good value .

It has a strange colour, could it be a poor photo ? Does it look more like this in the hand ? Whatever its far better than VF

Nice find, and it looks genuine to me. If the weight is correct I would not doubt it. The specks could well be Iron or some other metal that has disolved in the soil it was in. As for cleaning, be very careful not to rub it , as it appears pretty well as it was struck as regards underlying condition and must have been pretty well mint when it was lost. Its best left as it is, apart from soaking for a few days in a mild soapy solution, as once things go wrong in cleaning, it pretty well impossible to reverse whats been done.

One factor in the high end Dealer buying and selling is the pretty universal added 24% added Buyers Premium. I dont know exactely what goes on in the Coin trade, but certainly in the Antique Trade and in some of the Medal trade, the Buyers Premium is highly negotiable and can be down to 10% to the high paying top end dealers who can also enjoy a 0% sellers premium, or even a minus -5% Sellers premium, thus getting say £1050.00 for a Coin thats sells in Auction for £1000.00. So there are many swings and round-abouts involved !

I believe the ones I keep seeing are in the main genuine sales, and I think "Peckris" perhaps has it right with it being the newer internet buyers who find these grossly "polished" Coins acceptable. They may greatly regret paying the prices they do, if one day they come to selling them as I'm sure the mainstrean dealers and auction houses will really knock them down as regards value when they see them.

Polished Coins were always considered " destroyed " as a Collectors item and a no-go area with serious collectors. Yet now I see on Ebay at least they seem to fetch roughly what a nicely toned coin would . I dont mean silver dipped coins, but coins that are burnished with brasso or similar. Who is buying these ?, is it new collectors who dont have a clue ? Or have Polished Coins suddenly become more desirable and accepted ?

I've been looking at what protection we get if buying from a reputable source ? seems very little in some cases It seems to be somewhere between 7 Days and an amazing 6 years Below is what I believe what we as buyers are offered if we buy a fake Coin. (Subject to correction if anyone knows better) BNTA Members ---Not able yet to find out Bonhams ---unsure but appears to be 6 years Sothebys--- 5 Years Morton and Eden---2 years Christies--- 1 year Ebay ( paid with paypal ) ---45 days (perhaps)_ DNW-- 15 Days Spinks --7 Days Baldwins--7 Days Other Auctions.. Anyone know who offers what ?

This is my FAKE , too big the add to last post

The outcome will be very interesting to know. Hopefully the latest Baldwin offering is okay as the second " G " is not broken which it is on the KNOWN !!! Fakes, though the the weak bottom milling is worrying . Makes me wonder why the BNTA like to keep all knowledge of fakes SECRET except perhaps to their members.? It would be nice if someone who is a BNTA member explained to us collectors just what steps are being taken and give us the reason for the hush hush approach they take ? This is a Fake that Baldwins Sold some time ago and I understand they are very active in taking steps to avoid them coming on to the market. It shows traces of the < coming from the kings mouth but that would be easy to rub away .

Great start and looking really good . Nice someone devotes all their time to such projects as it will be much appreciated by collectors later on , who could never hope to have access to such detailed information .

Collectors were generally able to take their pick before 1970, but by about 1975 many coins had risen perhaps three fold , and the large " English Gentlemen " type of dealers like Seabys were brought to their knees as their stock had been so depleted they could never hope to fill their cabinets again, as to buy their say 1960's stock would have taken perhps three times the capital investment. On top of that they were being attacked from within, by thefts of their coins and their clients data files were offered all around the world to dealers by the thiefs. Seabys were also slow to keep up with the prices rises and there were many bargains to be had. Baldwins were like a gentlemans club , and it took a lot of acceptance before you were allowed into the inner sanctom and they were also slow to adapt on current price , so their Cabinets housed many bargains which were taken by the handful to Spinks , who had tended to keep up with the price rises and were paying a more up to date price, and so they were great days to make money but even though that was so ,by the time prices flattened out very few who had been dealing in coins could never afford to buy the amount and quality of coins they could a few years earlier. So I think it was a good time for astute collectors and on the whole a bad time for dealers as many eventually went to the wall and only a relative few survived. The latest boom time has many differant factors at play so who knows what the outcome may be ? My feelings are that as the previous booms in Gold and Silver brought similar percentage price increases in Coins the same is happening this time, but this boom is stronger and seems to have taken hold this time.

It was London Coins ,( latest sale ) and they have a few 1905 Halfcrowns and that was the best one I think and it just looked very strange in wear and in colour, so I kept a photo and it would be interesting to know if they did pull it because doubts had been made about it .

Saw this, it was withdrawn from a Major Auction, to me it looks strange and makes me wonder if its a Chinese Fake. The letters forming BRITT seem to fade into the field at their bases and the colour looks abnormal and gives a flatness that I feel is seen on the Chinese Coins