Peckris

(I should have known placing this in someone else's thread would guarantee it got ignored!) Have a look at the reverse of this 1821 sixpence - there is a definite raised dot after the 2 in the date. It's not mentioned in Davies. It's the same sixpence I showed the obverse of a few days back. Any thoughts?

Jedi knight not you are. Bloody good job. You're weird. Thats rich coming from a coin collector! I think Rob may suffer from AstraBellophobia!

look at price of these coins going though ebay if you have any for sale for 30 quid contact me,these coin are real Collectors items and should not be rubished,same if you have any 1971 double headed half pence coins for 30 quid .keep them and enjoy them that's what is's all about. Many here would disagree - and would probably refer to them as ridiculously overhyped items that were minted in (as they now estimate) hundreds of thousands. They've probably not even now descended to their true level. On the other hand they may have, but I'm not about to wait around and find out. The sheer numbers that have appeared on eBay shows how non-rare they truly are. Worth pulling from change of course, but not IMO worth paying good money for. O let's see shall i, have a coin from my pocket, what a silly coin it is, what shall i do with it,i think i will throw it away,ye wat ever. I think the point that Peck was making is that these undated mules have been massively over-hyped on eBay, in the press and by certain less-than-scrupulous coin merchants. At no point in the next 500 years will these coins be worth the several hundred pounds that some people originally paid for them, and you'll be lucky to get much more than your money back on £50 in the same time-frame! I have bolded the pertinent phrase in Peck's post - the part which you seem to have completely ignored! Of course if the lady in Tesco hands me one in my change I'm going to pull it out, and I might even consider a £15-20 punt on ebay but no more than that! As an aside - you say about silly coins lets throw them away... a friend of mine has an almost phobia-esque reaction to 5p coins and actually does throw them away... to the point where he got us barred from a pub in Exeter when he hit the landlord with one! Thanks - yes, that's the precise point I was making. In years to come it will be seen just how ludicrous it is, that a coin with the estimated mintage of a 1950 penny (itself hyped to high heaven in its day, yet being a date scarcity is more essential than the 20p mule) should be sold on eBay at such vastly inflated prices, and even now - at £60 - rates higher than the now-accepted 1950 penny. The internet and eBay have much to answer for, in terms of hype. On the other hand, the internet does allow us to have these lively and friendly discussions from the warmth and privacy of our own living rooms!

Interesting. When I posted my 1821 sixpence the other day, I didn't think it worth also mentioning the presence of a similar "dot" in the date on the reverse. It's not listed in Davies, but you can see it quite clearly after the figure 2 in the date.

Cache flushed - let's see what happens. YAY - that worked. Thanks Rob. (It's only a change of colour - now you're saying Big Deal!!)

Jedi knight not you are.

OK, so the company is dissolved and not sold. I wonder who owns the copyright - presumably whoever the owner of the company was? I believe the title was offered to Token Publishing, who turned it down? This would have been mid-1990s. That's why I suggest they might be the best people to ask. Peckris, I did ask them about this title some 18 months ago and they rather loftily claimed that it was nothing to do with them. Yes, they are rather sniffy about the good old CM. I wonder if that's to do with the enduring affection people have for it compared to their own title! However, I do believe the title was offered to them when it ceased publication. (They also claim that their COIN YEARBOOK with blue pages of values, has no connection at all with the COIN YEARBOOK published annually by CM also with blue pages for values!!!) There's more here than meets the eye, I'd love to know all the goss

Hardly! Different usernames, but even if you reckon they have one username for the States and one for the UK, that doesn't excuse that the coin appears to be in Lawndale, California and in Warwickshire, England, at one and the same time.

The chrome may need regoing As long as the purchaser doesn't as you can understand has been in my loft but no marks or scraches does not come with original box as got wet. You couldn't make it up

look at price of these coins going though ebay if you have any for sale for 30 quid contact me,these coin are real Collectors items and should not be rubished,same if you have any 1971 double headed half pence coins for 30 quid .keep them and enjoy them that's what is's all about. Many here would disagree - and would probably refer to them as ridiculously overhyped items that were minted in (as they now estimate) hundreds of thousands. They've probably not even now descended to their true level. On the other hand they may have, but I'm not about to wait around and find out. The sheer numbers that have appeared on eBay shows how non-rare they truly are. Worth pulling from change of course, but not IMO worth paying good money for.

I've changed my avatar picture, which shows in my Profile. But when I do a posting, it shows my previous avatar picture. What's going on?

OK, so the company is dissolved and not sold. I wonder who owns the copyright - presumably whoever the owner of the company was? I believe the title was offered to Token Publishing, who turned it down? This would have been mid-1990s. That's why I suggest they might be the best people to ask.

Any plastic envelope sold specifically for coins should not contain any PVC, nor should they have done for the past 30 years or more. As for lustre, provided the sleeves are stored in a dry, pollution-free environment, coins should preserve their lustre indefinitely. However, coins should be checked at least annually to make sure the plastic isn't "sweating"; keep a supply of new sleeves at hand to replace any that are suspect. I know the question was specifically about plastic envelopes but, unless you wish to look at the coins regularly, wouldn't it be better to use acid-free paper envelopes instead? Coins are a hobby - you'd want to look at them reasonably often, or what's the point? At least with plastic envelopes you don't need to remove the coin at all, unless replacing the envelope. With paper envelopes, you could be constantly sliding the coin in and out which would cause friction and the risks associated with handling. Cabinets with felt linings are good, but there is still handling involved to see both sides. The one advantage of slabs and plastic envelopes is you can see both sides of the coin without having to handle it.

This pub is listed in 1830 on this site as being run by Hannah Blew, and is listed in an 1891 census as being on the High Street here. I suggest you search for old Stourbidge notices which may hopefully tie the name on the token to a specific period. It's probably late 18th-early 19th century, but would need pursuing. The Gothic style of lettering would place it much later than 18th Century - more like the mid-19th possibly, when the Gothic revival was at its height? I'm thinking more in line with tokens to replace non-existent currency for payment. There wasn't a shortage of currency in the mid-19th century. I would have thought that token issuing almost ceased after say 1820 having been outlawed (again) in the previous decade. The key to it will be finding out when E Jones was landlord. Census returns after 1851 will probably eliminate the last 160 years. That's certainly the key to it. As for tokens in general - pub tokens continued long after the general token industry had ended, and carried on into the 20th Century, used for anything from juke boxes to fruit machines to gambling where there wasn't a gambling licence, etc.

I have now discovered that I have the article published in Coin Monthly February 1979 - "Survey of 20,000 Florins" by Ron Stafford. It runs to around 8 pages which I could scan and upload here one-by-one, if you're interested. All the 10p varieties known up to 1978 were included in his results, with illustrated examples of each type. Hopefully there are no copyright issues with doing this, as CM ceased to exist nearly 20 years ago? I'd quite like to know exactly what the copyright situation is for this publication. Somebody on here, a few months back, suggested that it would be useful if the entire series of CMs could be digitised as a resource. I have pretty much all of them right up to early 1992 and have a scanner plus the software and skills, plus time to do it, but it's a huge task and I ain't going to if I immediately fall foul of copyright. Does anybody know? My understanding is that copyright lasts at least 70 or 80 years, and presumably when CM went out of business it was sold to another publisher. If so then they and their descendent companies now own the copyright. However, if it just ceased trading then I don't know what the situation is. CM was published by the Numismatic Publishing Company - Googling it doesn't come up with anything. My thought is that Token Publishing (who publish Coin News) might be the best people to ask? I did scan and upload an article on varieties published in the Coin And Medals Annual 1970. That hasn't brought any comeback. I don't think people care that much in this particular field, but to upload the entire magazine contents over its run - that would be a different matter possibly.

If you mean Derek (Red Riley)'s project (above) - yes, it's the kind of book you wonder that no-one had thought of producing decades earlier. For beginners and those new to certain "types", it's absolutely indispensable, and an irreplaceable reference point for all of us. (Ah, for the days when I was still a GVF )

This pub is listed in 1830 on this site as being run by Hannah Blew, and is listed in an 1891 census as being on the High Street here. I suggest you search for old Stourbidge notices which may hopefully tie the name on the token to a specific period. It's probably late 18th-early 19th century, but would need pursuing. The Gothic style of lettering would place it much later than 18th Century - more like the mid-19th possibly, when the Gothic revival was at its height?

For those of us who are happier counting on our fingers and keeping notes on scruffy bits of paper, websites simply come as a package - even then they are capable of causing utter confusion in the untrained mind. Hence, although mine wasn't that expensive to set up, it is essentially a compromise and if I were to start from scratch I would include lots of features which it doesn't have and delete lots of useless things that it does. So I would urge you to use a little patience, the dealer is probably sitting screaming at his computer screen just as smoke is coming out of your ears while you browse his site... In the early days of computers (so the story goes), one company experienced a serious hardware failure and called in a firm of computer engineers. The engineer arrived, spent about 10 minutes examining the computer, then put a cross on one component to be replaced, and left. The invoice was for £10,000. The furious company director demanded a detailed breakdown of the invoice. The engineer sent the following : - Marking a cross on a failed component : £10 - Knowing where to look : £9,990

David Beckham and Alex Ferguson are at a very important dinner, where Beckham has been asked to speak on a particular topic. At the end of the meal he stands up and says "They're small, they're white, they're minty, and they leave your breath feeling fresh." Looking pleased with himself, he sits down again. Sir Alex is furious. "You stupid wee c**t - I told them you were going to talk about TACTICS".

I have now discovered that I have the article published in Coin Monthly February 1979 - "Survey of 20,000 Florins" by Ron Stafford. It runs to around 8 pages which I could scan and upload here one-by-one, if you're interested. All the 10p varieties known up to 1978 were included in his results, with illustrated examples of each type. Hopefully there are no copyright issues with doing this, as CM ceased to exist nearly 20 years ago?

Any plastic envelope sold specifically for coins should not contain any PVC, nor should they have done for the past 30 years or more. As for lustre, provided the sleeves are stored in a dry, pollution-free environment, coins should preserve their lustre indefinitely. However, coins should be checked at least annually to make sure the plastic isn't "sweating"; keep a supply of new sleeves at hand to replace any that are suspect.

Rich guy pulls up in his Rolls at a remote garage in the country. "Fill her up, my good man." When he comes to pay, a few golf tees come out of his pocket as well. The yokel has never seen those before. "What be they zurr?" "Oh they are tees - I put my balls on them when driving off." The yokel shakes his head in admiration. "Rolls Royce eh, zurr - they thinks of everything!"

I'm afraid year IS important! They only occur in 1797 flavour (along with their heavier sibling the twopence) I will keep my eye out ("Ouch" I hear Prof Cousins say) for one, but you'd be best having a look on eBay as these aren't really a forgery risk. If you find something there, post the link to it here and we can tell if it's worth bidding on. Don't worry, there's plenty about. The Isle of Man cartwheel penny is dated 1798 and they appear not infrequently. If it has the 3 Legs of Man on the reverse this is not what you want, though a decent example is much scarcer than a British penny. As is the halfpenny - the only cartwheel halfpenny I have Sadly not in very good condition.

Injuns????...........diesel or petrol The Lone Ranger and Tonto are at the North Pole, and Kimo Sabi decides to go into the saloon for a drink to warm up. "You coming too, Tonto?" "No. Me no like white man's poison, me no go in there." "But you'll catch your death of cold." "Is not a problem - Tonto run around town many times to keep warm. Kimo Sabi go enjoy his poison." The Lone Ranger goes in and orders a double whisky, knocks it back it one. Barman looks and says "Another?" "Yes, ok" Another double appears and is knocked back in one. Barman decides he likes masked man - "Another?" Lone Ranger looks at the bottle, looks at his empty glass, sighs and shakes his head. "I can't. I've left my Injun running."

magpie may have been a better name, they like shiny objects too I actually like magpie better but it was a late thought, so if Peck wants to change it AGAIN go for it Peck Unfortunately powers to me have don't I, ascribing to me you are Chris changing your username able to he is Jedi merely I am