Peckris

Variety or not (I couldn't care less to be honest - there are so many in that series!) - it is one hell of a beaut of a coin. Nice find mate.

Any chance you can give the details of why its rare and perhaps the date of it etc? Pictures here would be even better. Especially of the letters too.

Blahhhhhhh Still a handsome state of preservation.

Just for you Peck khazi and alternate terms David Most kind of you David Though I must point out that that was WIKI not WILI.

I'm still trying to find the WILIPEDIA referred to above. I'm told they are trying to expand it, but the effort of searching for it has left me limp. It was clearly a stiff task.

too much info not enough info :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

wow thats amazing they can do that , well looks like a trick coin then many thanks I's just a curio and quite a common one at that. Stick it on e-bay and see what you get for it. However, don't go on about rarity, mint error or anything like that as most people would hopefully see through it... Especially if it's a Polo

or open(.....) i will ask him what might interest me Why ask HIM what might interest YOU? He'll tell you every piece of junk he can't shift might interest you. Its what interests you Patrick, and no one else Actually that's unfair on good dealers Az. I found a great small dealer years ago who operated through the back of an antiques shop. On my days off I'd breeze in and ask "Got anything for me?" - and when I look at back at some of the items I got from him : GF+ 1797 2d, BU 1924 6d, EF 1951 penny, 1906 and 1907 pennies both AUnc with lustre, BU 1901 and 1902 pennies, UNC 1914 6d, UNC 1926ME 1/-, 1684 3d GF, and much more besides, he didn't rip me off or palm me off with rubbish. The fact is, if you find a good dealer, he will often suggest things to you and encourage your collecting, especially a young 'un like Patrick who clearly won't make the dealer rich unless he wins the lottery.

No-one's ever asked, so I suppose it has to be me. What's the significance of "dairy"?

I suppose everyone hoarded the last silver (so 45/46 is dead easy), but no-one bothered with the first CuNi. Plus they circulated for so long... Yet strangely, 1948 CuNi in top grades has always been very very easy.

A great ambition You could pick up G1V and W1V farthings in top grade without breaking the bank, and sixpences are your best bet for silver, followed by shillings.

I seem to have got stubbornly stuck at nEF with them (EF for Type 2). I buy any that look like they might nudge that up by a fraction of a grade. I often wonder what I'd pay for a genuine UNC if one ever came up. In 2009 Spink thrust the price up from £15 to £75. I was never sure if it was a misprint or not. But then again, they seem to do that for all modern coins where the year ends in the same as the catalogue year. In 2001 for example, all 1951 coins shot through the roof, crowns doubling from £10 to £20. I haven't seen the price since - can anyone confirm what the current 1959S Spink value is? A jaw dropping £85 in UNC yet only £10 in EF. A multiple of 8.5 in grade from EF to UNC is bizarre? Thanks for that. Mind you, those 1959S are remarkably easy to find in EF compared to UNC. It's also worth pointing out that the increase to £10 - £75 was from £2 - £15, so it got quite a hike in EF at that time.

My take on the current market conditions is that the general economic situation means that for the many ordinary' collectors cash is being squeezed and so purchases have to either be fewer or in a lower grade. For the series collector who 'must have' a particular coin to fill a gap, subject to the above, price probably isn't so much of an issue. And for the wealthy, and this must include 'investors' then price probably isn't an issue, but condition is. The net result, if I'm right, is that top grade will hold its price and maybe even accelerate, as will rarer pieces even in lower grade, but for more run-of-the-mill dates in middle range condition prices will likely stagnate at their present level or will ease back as the 'ordinary' collector slows down on his purchases. As is always the case. Even relatively wealthy collectors will suffer some effects from the economic squeeze. Many collectors paying larger sums are older people close to retirement, whose annuities are producing less and less income compared to the rates on offer even 5 years ago. The out and out wealthy are unlikely to be affected, but I can see the likelihood of all bar these having to reduce their purchases. The bottom dredgers are less likely to be affected because low grade purchases costing a few pounds at most are never going to break the bank. If anything, this group stands a better chance of obtaining washers with detail as a bonus. Agreed. It's the "flight to quality" combined with the search for alternative forms of investment (especially with the low annuity rates, as Rob says) in troubled times, that will see coins at the high end going ever higher. Good quality but less rare items will keep their values I believe, while lower quality - the area that most relies on economic buoyancy - will suffer most. Which makes the values realised for those halfcrowns all the more surprising - the rarest items failed to reach their (high) estimates, while all else between 1906 and 1936 exceeded them, sometimes by quite a way. On the other hand it is just one auction. Perhaps many of those less rare lots were snaffled by a single buyer putting together a collection.

I seem to have got stubbornly stuck at nEF with them (EF for Type 2). I buy any that look like they might nudge that up by a fraction of a grade. I often wonder what I'd pay for a genuine UNC if one ever came up. In 2009 Spink thrust the price up from £15 to £75. I was never sure if it was a misprint or not. But then again, they seem to do that for all modern coins where the year ends in the same as the catalogue year. In 2001 for example, all 1951 coins shot through the roof, crowns doubling from £10 to £20. I haven't seen the price since - can anyone confirm what the current 1959S Spink value is?

Ah, the place where we are hunchbacked en crappe?

Yes it is. I'm still baffled why it made an appearance here though!

...excuse the pun. But it is a gorgeous coin. For all my high grade denarii, I'd love a large copper in high grade.

£632.50 incl. premium Cheers Rob!! 12 minutes to find the answer. Very impressive, Rob! Less than 2 minutes to find the answer and post a reply. The biggest delay is usually in registering there is a question to answer. 42

That style of red card case was used by the Mint for proofs between 1927 and 1951, so it fits. That's not 100% conclusive of course.

Quite a few there going way over estimate. Collecting is NOT getting any cheaper is it Interesting that the three rarest Edward VII halfcrowns dismally failed to realise their (admittedly high) estimates, while the other dates generally exceeded their lower estimate. The breathtaking results were for the George V halfcrowns - all way over estimate (and despite some strange grading - the 1925 is at least GEF rather than AEF, while the 1930 looks no more than EF). Unbelievably the 1928-1936 series - excl 1930 - at EF-UNC, went for £360. Gulp. I shall have to re-rate my own series of those dates.

As long as it's not a Werther's Original

The man for this would be Rob, he has a lot of old catalogues including Glendinnings I don't have all the Glens catalogues. I am still missing one from 1974 and have many gaps pre 1950. Symonds' lots were 1-139, but there were other coins in the sale from other vendors. Provenances for Symonds are a problem, because he was collecting from around 1900 or a bit earlier until he died in 1933. Unless there were tickets included it is virtually impossible to trace the lots from old catalogues due to so few being illustrated - certainly for run of the mill items such as Cromwell shillings, Gothic Crowns and G4 crowns. You can probabaly count on one hand the number of these items illustrated in early catalogues because they are so common, even in high grade. 1. Cromwell shilling lot 94, EF and illustrated. Made £180. 4. 1847 Gothic Crown lot 108, brilliant. Made £320. 5. 1821 Crown lot 106, EF, toned. Made £115. 3. 1726 Crown, EF, toned. Made £500. EF in the Sanderson catalogue and illustrated there. I don't have Lockett's milled catalogue - keep missing out when one becomes available as it is always in demand. 2. 1831 Proof or Pattern Crown. Almost as struck, some faint hairlines and other minor marks, a brilliant frosted proof, nicely toned. Illustrated. Made £3000. Willis had 5 1831 crowns, so tracing it will be difficult even if he is known to have purchased an 1831 crown in a particular sale. I do know it isn't Lingford 535. I've got spare copies of Willis II and Glens 30/10/1974 for sale, but Symonds is out of stock. Is Spink's "Milled Silver Coinage of England" (1925) any good? Apparently every coin listed in it was for sale and the Introduction states "Quite recently we purchased the collection of milled coins of the late Mr. A. Wallis, who had studied the series with very great care. ... Consequently, whilst offering the pieces for sale, we are trying to supply the long felt need of an up to date list of the series ...". And at the bottom of page 4 "N.B. we have catalogued here the finest of each variety that we have in stock at the time. We have cheaper specimens of most types in stock."

Peter's 1901 was probably bought a long time before your 1908 scott Also, bear in mind that an UNC 1908 is a LOT scarcer than an UNC 1901. 25p is a real bargain. When did you get it?

Don't blame me, blame Mr Groom! I've just pored over my copy. Two things : 1. How do we know one is more scarce than the other? Dave's book doesn't give that. 2. From the pictures on p137, Type 1 (left) is clearly more worn, which could account for this micro-micro variety.

I can't say its a must have..I wouldn't know if I had one Hope you liked your 1959 scottish 1/- scarcer type 1 as well, Jake... Oh FFS , please don't tell me there's more than one variety of 1959S too!