Peckris

Watch it youngster - I can still inflict damage with a zimmer frame

hasnt that long since gone? so....are you saying the 10p be called 10 cents and then penny....if so, why not just cut out the american bullshit and call the 10p a penny........anyhow mr peckris, im sure you will agree, whatever coin you call a penny these days, the RM will do a shite job of designing it Agreed! My problem with calling the 10p a penny is that technically the 10p is already ten pennies, so that could be more confusing in the long run! Whereas if we had cents, you could redesignate of our existing denominations a "penny" - the 10 seemed a suitable candidate.

Is there no record of this lol? Surely this is the place where someone would know the answer Oh I'm sorry - I thought this was a coins forum. You mean it's really the Aspergers Social Club???

What - lose the oldest denomination we have, going back to the Roman "denarius"? No way, José! I agree we should lose those pathetic bronzes we have that are now all but worthless. What I say is that we redesignate "New P" as "Cents", and make the 10p (10c) a "penny". Then our honourable ancient penny can be preserved in name as it has been for 2000 years.

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True, the overhang from the Bole collection is going to influence the market for a while yet. Interesting idea, but if I was happy with smaller coins I would probably stick with pennies as these go back even further. I just like the look and feel of the larger currency. A strange notion - that the penny is a "smaller coin" !

I agree - it's preferable to ugly toning, and it is possible to dip LIGHTLY without destroying all lustre. what silver dip do you use? The one I would have used if I'd ever had reason to use it hypothetically on one or two hypothetical coins that may have needed a slight bit of dipping if I'd been the sort to use it was simply called 'Silver Dip' and came from Tesco. [Oops, slight correction - my hypothetical dip is "Goddards"]

Nice chunk of download too But it is a beauty, I agree. Even though I don't really collect that kind of thing in anger, if I saw it at an auction I'd be tempted to make a bid.

Good thinking. That "it's worth over £100" is something every young collector should be very careful about. The nominal value of a collection (i.e. from Spink) is just that - nominal. Unless it's something a dealer or collector really wants, you'd be lucky to realise even a fraction of that. Sorry if that rains on your parade, but I remember well the painful lessons I had to learn about the "true" value of a loved collection. It will be worth much more to you - in years to come, even if only in memories and sentimental value - than what you'd probably get for it if you sold it now. it's worth over £100 Its worth nearly £200 but i haven't done all my cataloging The nominal value of a collection (i.e. from Spink) is just that - nominal. Unless it's something a dealer or collector really wants, you'd be lucky to realise even a fraction of that. That explains you very nice gift which is worth a bit catlogue -wise (and i like it) And that - at the end of the day - is what counts most. Having an emotional attachment to individual coins "adds value" (I've even been known to upgrade without disposing of the coin it replaced, I liked it too much!).

Only if they're nuts for motorbikes - it's that kind of museum. It's actually near the NEC - if I recall you take the same turning off the motorway, but turn the opposite way at the roundabout, and it's just off one of the exits. It's signed "Motorcycle Museum", anyway.

I agree - it's preferable to ugly toning, and it is possible to dip LIGHTLY without destroying all lustre.

It all comes down in the end to which you prefer. I myself favour halfcrowns over crowns as I tend not think of crowns as "real" coins, i.e. the sort that got issued for circulating and spending. They were never minted as a "regular denomination" after 1822 apart from 1887 - 1901. Wreath, Gothic, and George III crowns are something of a special case. Not only are they all very beautiful, they were issued partly or mainly for collectors which makes them rather appealing. In the 20th Century and beyond, most crowns are commemoratives. If you're attracted to varieties, there are more to be found in halfcrowns, especially post-1816. And, of course, if you like date runs then it has to be halfcrowns. And just to add a touch of symmetry, the penny and halfcrown are pretty close in size so would be an aesthetically satisfying direction to go.

A model of a Cromwell halfcrown surely ? How else could it be so much smaller than a bronze penny? That'll be because the bronze penny (as featured on the front cover of the Spink 2012 catalogue) is greater than life size. Ah! As a non-owner of the latest Spink it would explain why I didn't spot it as a picture. Also, it's unusual for Spink to feature more than one coin on the cover.

I hope this post is not misplaced but as a newbie and this thread is abt. pennies I thought the forum would be able to guide me as the grading of this coin I feel it is very good for its age but the colour is dark. thanks in anticipation. Sorry file too big to upload reverse as well will repost. . Hi, you'd be better starting a new thread for this (you've just 'threadjacked'). However, your penny is around VF - perhaps slightly better, in terms of wear - and its colour is pretty typical of the series. It looks as though it has been rubbed (I hope not by you!) but isn't overtly 'cleaned' in appearance. The reverse is also VF+ for wear only , but looks as though it has been attacked by the deadly green virus we know as verdigris; I can spot some green staining and there are a few corroded patches. The date is quite common, and the penny would only be worth a pound or two. Worth keeping until something better turns up, but do be careful if storing with other pennies, as that 'green' can spread. thanks for the advice sorry for misposting,(threadjacking) I am not greatly concerned re any value in the coin it was more an exercise in grading. You're welcome - any bun pennies in that grade but without the "green" are worth having.

Oui oui. Oh, excuse-moi pour un moment, je dois visiter la salle plus petite.

You've not bought anything electrical, or toys, or clothing, or optical, or office supplies, or furniture then?

Good thinking. That "it's worth over £100" is something every young collector should be very careful about. The nominal value of a collection (i.e. from Spink) is just that - nominal. Unless it's something a dealer or collector really wants, you'd be lucky to realise even a fraction of that. Sorry if that rains on your parade, but I remember well the painful lessons I had to learn about the "true" value of a loved collection. It will be worth much more to you - in years to come, even if only in memories and sentimental value - than what you'd probably get for it if you sold it now.

A model of a Cromwell halfcrown surely ? How else could it be so much smaller than a bronze penny?

Yes But a £50 coin in 1969 is now £80 A £5 coin in 1969 is now £280. Shows you could and can still buy Turkeys (undated 20p's) If you want to buy inflation proof coins know your market on true rarities. Coins to avoid...H & KN,ME 1d's...46 & 49 3d's....52 6d's...32 2/-....25 & 30 2/6 all these in NVF or less are so common as they were plucked out of circulation in the 60's and hoarded. Here's the ultimate joke : (from the 1970s Coins & Medals Annual) 1932 penny BU ....................... £50 1797 twopence BU ................. £35 And this from the days when the average weekly wage was about £25. Two weeks work to get a BU 1932 penny?? I don't think so! Yes But a £50 coin in 1969 is now £80 A £5 coin in 1969 is now £280. Shows you could and can still buy Turkeys (undated 20p's) If you want to buy inflation proof coins know your market on true rarities. Coins to avoid...H & KN,ME 1d's...46 & 49 3d's....52 6d's...32 2/-....25 & 30 2/6 all these in NVF or less are so common as they were plucked out of circulation in the 60's and hoarded. I don't agree that the H, KN & ME pennies in TOP grade will not be inflation proof. But then I might be biassed I think I agree with you (if I've read your double negative correctly ) - however Peter was speaking of examples in NVF or less, which is a whole different bouilloire des poissons. I agree that NVF would be an entirely different jeu de balle. I didn't fail to notice the double negative but hoped that no one else wouldn't see it. You're ok - I didn't not notice it, so we fail to be not singing from the same hymnsheet

I hope this post is not misplaced but as a newbie and this thread is abt. pennies I thought the forum would be able to guide me as the grading of this coin I feel it is very good for its age but the colour is dark. thanks in anticipation. Sorry file too big to upload reverse as well will repost. Hi, you'd be better starting a new thread for this (you've just 'threadjacked'). However, your penny is around VF - perhaps slightly better, in terms of wear - and its colour is pretty typical of the series. It looks as though it has been rubbed (I hope not by you!) but isn't overtly 'cleaned' in appearance. The reverse is also VF+ for wear only , but looks as though it has been attacked by the deadly green virus we know as verdigris; I can spot some green staining and there are a few corroded patches. The date is quite common, and the penny would only be worth a pound or two. Worth keeping until something better turns up, but do be careful if storing with other pennies, as that 'green' can spread.

Yes But a £50 coin in 1969 is now £80 A £5 coin in 1969 is now £280. Shows you could and can still buy Turkeys (undated 20p's) If you want to buy inflation proof coins know your market on true rarities. Coins to avoid...H & KN,ME 1d's...46 & 49 3d's....52 6d's...32 2/-....25 & 30 2/6 all these in NVF or less are so common as they were plucked out of circulation in the 60's and hoarded. Here's the ultimate joke : (from the 1970s Coins & Medals Annual) 1932 penny BU ....................... £50 1797 twopence BU ................. £35 And this from the days when the average weekly wage was about £25. Two weeks work to get a BU 1932 penny?? I don't think so! Yes But a £50 coin in 1969 is now £80 A £5 coin in 1969 is now £280. Shows you could and can still buy Turkeys (undated 20p's) If you want to buy inflation proof coins know your market on true rarities. Coins to avoid...H & KN,ME 1d's...46 & 49 3d's....52 6d's...32 2/-....25 & 30 2/6 all these in NVF or less are so common as they were plucked out of circulation in the 60's and hoarded. I don't agree that the H, KN & ME pennies in TOP grade will not be inflation proof. But then I might be biassed I think I agree with you (if I've read your double negative correctly ) - however Peter was speaking of examples in NVF or less, which is a whole different bouilloire des poissons.

Now that I HAVE heard of! (So I'm told..)

I am now using half a dozen different dealers but have yet to go to a coin fair, I will be this Spring / Summer! I still use eBay a lot, the risk element is all part of the game I think, I have had some real bargains and paid over the odds for others, and as for the 2 forgeries in January, well ...! As for the 1910 shilling that started this thread, I was pleased to upgrade from my gF to something with some eye appeal, and will again one day ... I paid £16, which some believe is over the odds and others don't seem to! I like it anyway, however common! £16 !!!! In anyone's book that's a bargain

I have a similar Victoria penny 1887 different on reverse, It shows a lighthouse to the left and a ship to the right Legend One Penny. Legend on front : VICTORIA D : G BRITT: REG: F D She has a laurel wreath on her head. came from a pail of coins it is superb just a very dark colour I would not like to attempt to clean it. onlyme Can we see a picture?

A VIP proof is one of a limited run struck for the chosen few. A regular proof is struck for the masses e.g. 1937, 1950, 1951 etc. They may be frosted or not depending on the issue and fill in the gaps between the common set dates. The situation is confused slightly by the issue of extremely rare VIP proofs alongside regular proofs - the 1951, 1953 and 1965 crowns come to mind. In those cases, there is certainly a difference of appearance ("satin" finish, sandblasted dies, etc).