Peckris

Please post pictures - fornt, back, and edge. Thanks.

Normally I would agree with you choolie but crowns in VF and above kind of overstep my budget! I have most of the crowns post 1818 except the Proofs, 1847 Young Head, a few of the old heads and the only Wreath I have is the 1928. Just thought it would be nice to try and get a few earlier examples staying in budget of cause which this one did. Wow, you have a Gothic crown? Now any of those DEFINITELY oversteps my budget! If I ever win the lottery, Peckris, I declare here I will buy you one! And I you! (Hastily goes out and buys a lottery ticket...) Not that I would wish for you to get too excited, but I won my first ever tenner tonight - and this is since the lottery began! I think those odds in themselves are statistically interesting, given that on average I've been a regularly participator since the very beginning, more or less! None-the-less, an uncirculated FDC gothic crown is your's should fortune favour me! The first lottery winner was an Irish navy who I was working with.He won 44k and pissed it up the wall.I have won a few 4 nrs....but The entire navy?? How many sailors did they have to share that between?

Don't worry, I'm not a mason! What I'm saying is this. Unfettered opinion and genuine freedom of speech is being slowly but surely sidelined from mainstream communication and everyday life. This results in it being forced 'underground' and nowadays appearing on the nether reaches of the internet. The government is clearly not happy with this situation and has demonstrated every intention of wanting to police all such communication (witness the recent moves forcing ISPs to make data available). That's one step closer to allowing governments to open our mail, in my opinion. Whilst I most certainly don't agree with many opinions expressed, I will fight for the right to express them (to paraphrase Voltaire). You have in effect agreed with me. Why should we all have to 'sidestep' monitoring in everyday life. The UK is already the most surveilled country in the industrialised west, by the government's own admission. Ah, I see what you're saying. You're talking about the SOPA stuff (is that right acronym?). What you forget is this : if everyone who is worried about such stuff, whether or not they have anything to hide, set up several online identities, each one centred around a hotmail address containing fictional personal details, then anyone who was serious about monitoring us citizens would soon be chasing their tails. In actuality, if enough man hours were expended, such fake identities could be traced via injunctions served on ISPs (provided that the courts were presented with the evidence to furnish an injunction). However, this expenditure on man hours would entail more staff working on it than the entire Civil Service employs. For myself, I am endlessly grateful that the more limited effort that Government agencies expend, is to track down the activities of terrorists. Mike is quite correct. It only takes a little nous to sidestep a perceived lack of anonymity, and anyway the Government is neither interested nor has the resources to spy on the likes of us. As for people 35 or under, many hurl all their personal details into Facebook, so the lack of privacy there is self-inflicted and I have no sympathy with anyone who falls foul of scammers, government spies, or anyone else, if they don't have even the basic idea of personal discretion. I agree that may be true today, BUT the data is being collected and from more sources than most of us imagine (CCTV everywhere, Facebook, Twitter, border control, credit card use, mobile phone automatic tracking and use, Oyster cards for travel etc. etc. The list is almost endless and expanding daily). Whilst it would be impossible to provide enough manpower to collate and use most of this information it is inevitable that such work will eventually be undertaken by artificially intelligent computers. That really isn't science fiction! How long before a camera clocks you driving at 33mph on your way to the airport for a holiday and the passport check won't let you through customs until you pay the fine which appears on their screen? Or your Facebook account mentions support for the Freedom Party and you go on line to vote in the 2020 election but are automatically denied access for having unacceptable views? Even sophisticated AI wouldn't be able to uncover the real person behind a fake identity based on a hotmail email address, which is what anyone with any sense does now anyway, when they register for a forum. And if on top of that they use a proxy server, or TOR, then that's game set and match.

Of course not! Britney is the only possible name. But whatever happened to Britney's Spear? :D

Don't worry, I'm not a mason! What I'm saying is this. Unfettered opinion and genuine freedom of speech is being slowly but surely sidelined from mainstream communication and everyday life. This results in it being forced 'underground' and nowadays appearing on the nether reaches of the internet. The government is clearly not happy with this situation and has demonstrated every intention of wanting to police all such communication (witness the recent moves forcing ISPs to make data available). That's one step closer to allowing governments to open our mail, in my opinion. Whilst I most certainly don't agree with many opinions expressed, I will fight for the right to express them (to paraphrase Voltaire). You have in effect agreed with me. Why should we all have to 'sidestep' monitoring in everyday life. The UK is already the most surveilled country in the industrialised west, by the government's own admission. Ah, I see what you're saying. You're talking about the SOPA stuff (is that right acronym?). What you forget is this : if everyone who is worried about such stuff, whether or not they have anything to hide, set up several online identities, each one centred around a hotmail address containing fictional personal details, then anyone who was serious about monitoring us citizens would soon be chasing their tails. In actuality, if enough man hours were expended, such fake identities could be traced via injunctions served on ISPs (provided that the courts were presented with the evidence to furnish an injunction). However, this expenditure on man hours would entail more staff working on it than the entire Civil Service employs. For myself, I am endlessly grateful that the more limited effort that Government agencies expend, is to track down the activities of terrorists. Mike is quite correct. It only takes a little nous to sidestep a perceived lack of anonymity, and anyway the Government is neither interested nor has the resources to spy on the likes of us. As for people 35 or under, many hurl all their personal details into Facebook, so the lack of privacy there is self-inflicted and I have no sympathy with anyone who falls foul of scammers, government spies, or anyone else, if they don't have even the basic idea of personal discretion. A more pointless waste of human existence I (thankfully) have yet to encounter. My wife is 39 and has never read a book in her life but will happily spend 5 hours a day (every day)reading total pish about her friends/acquaintances and family on Brainf**k Facebook. Whenever I casually ask her WTF the point of the drivel is she tells me to "get a life, and see what's happening in the real world" Facebook, the real world???? Shit I think I must have taken the red pill by mistake Ye gods!

:lol: I know, I know - we think of a size then double it That'll be the lighthouse at Alexandria then. What a big boy, Mr P.

Interestingly, I got loads of spam in the days when my tesco email account was my initial + surname. So I simply changed the name on Tesco's website to my full first name + surname, and I haven't had any spam since (which is several years now). This is despite using it to register on some sites, such as iTunes, eMusic, Amazon, eBay, etc. However, Tesco have been great about letting people keep their email addresses once they change ISP; I used Tesco for diallup until 2005 then changed ISP for broadband. Yet my Tesco email address has been used continuously for years and is still my main address (theoretically they are still my ISP if ever I wanted to go back to diallup - yeah, as if!)

Debbie Take your purse to the Midland fair.I usually buy on the third circuit Delve deep into the trays there is often a bargain. Great advice. But don't waste your time on the 10p or 25p trays - go for the more expensive ones and try to see if the dealer will offer you a further discount on quantity, assuming you find some nice things.

That's great. Many many people get hooked for what may seem quite accidental reasons. But now you're hooked, do bear in mind that the people on this forum have years of experience in collecting AND dealing too, so their advice should not be taken lightly. You clearly know quite a bit about investment, but investing in coins and collecting coins are two different things, though there may be an overlap on occasion. When you're ready to learn more about this amazing hobby, the people here can offer you advice on books, sources for coins, research material, all kinds of stuff. Good luck!

Normally I would agree with you choolie but crowns in VF and above kind of overstep my budget! I have most of the crowns post 1818 except the Proofs, 1847 Young Head, a few of the old heads and the only Wreath I have is the 1928. Just thought it would be nice to try and get a few earlier examples staying in budget of cause which this one did. Wow, you have a Gothic crown? Now any of those DEFINITELY oversteps my budget! If I ever win the lottery, Peckris, I declare here I will buy you one! And I you! (Hastily goes out and buys a lottery ticket...)

Don't worry, I'm not a mason! What I'm saying is this. Unfettered opinion and genuine freedom of speech is being slowly but surely sidelined from mainstream communication and everyday life. This results in it being forced 'underground' and nowadays appearing on the nether reaches of the internet. The government is clearly not happy with this situation and has demonstrated every intention of wanting to police all such communication (witness the recent moves forcing ISPs to make data available). That's one step closer to allowing governments to open our mail, in my opinion. Whilst I most certainly don't agree with many opinions expressed, I will fight for the right to express them (to paraphrase Voltaire). You have in effect agreed with me. Why should we all have to 'sidestep' monitoring in everyday life. The UK is already the most surveilled country in the industrialised west, by the government's own admission. Ah, I see what you're saying. You're talking about the SOPA stuff (is that right acronym?). What you forget is this : if everyone who is worried about such stuff, whether or not they have anything to hide, set up several online identities, each one centred around a hotmail address containing fictional personal details, then anyone who was serious about monitoring us citizens would soon be chasing their tails. In actuality, if enough man hours were expended, such fake identities could be traced via injunctions served on ISPs (provided that the courts were presented with the evidence to furnish an injunction). However, this expenditure on man hours would entail more staff working on it than the entire Civil Service employs. For myself, I am endlessly grateful that the more limited effort that Government agencies expend, is to track down the activities of terrorists. Mike is quite correct. It only takes a little nous to sidestep a perceived lack of anonymity, and anyway the Government is neither interested nor has the resources to spy on the likes of us. As for people 35 or under, many hurl all their personal details into Facebook, so the lack of privacy there is self-inflicted and I have no sympathy with anyone who falls foul of scammers, government spies, or anyone else, if they don't have even the basic idea of personal discretion.

:lol: I know, I know - we think of a size then double it

You'd be forgiven, the way some dealers jump straight to Fine for everything below VF. Fair is better than Poor, but less than Fine. For example, if there's no hair left on the portrait it's Fair. If the main elements of design (e.g. the lion face) is worn flat, it's Fair. To be Fair, the legend has to be completely readable. On your better picture, I'd rate the '05 Fair+ but it's definitely not Fine. My 1869 penny just about rates as Fair, but only just.

Does it offer the option to always allow specific people too? The latter is more important than being able to block emails. Getting annoyed with incessant spam is one thing. Not receiving something you needed because of the provider is a level up in inconvenience. It surely can't be beyond the bounds of reasonable programming to have the facility for me to tell the email filter to always allow messages from abcd@123.com for example. Though my sisters and I are Mac users, my sister had a lot of email problems when she was with BT. It does seem that they apply filters before the emails even reach you, that's before Outlook even sees them. However, the suggestion to use hotmail (Microsoft Live or Googlemail) is very sound. You keep your email addresses however many times you change your ISP. Plus, you can still use Outlook or another email client if you want - you just tell (e.g.) Googlemail to set up your Gmail account as a POP account, then you simply add it as a new email account in Outlook, and you get all your hotmail downloaded to your computer while it also still lives on, in Google. Finally, you can add an existing POP account (e.g. your BT email address) in Googlemail so you can get it online too. It's all a lot more fluid and flexible than it used to be.

The two 1902 shillings are certainly at least EF. The 1910 is better than VF I'd say - there is some wear to the hair (always the first to go), the remainder shows little. I'd say GVF or perhaps even a bit better. The 1905 is less than Fine - I'd rate it Fair.

Interesting story. I've wondered whether my 1966 brass penny was produced in the same way, though security for anyone working at the mint would surely be extremely tight. At the end of the predecimal era, the mint was relocating from Tower Hill to Llantrisant. It appears that most of the oddballs from this period were mint workers having a bit of fun. Very few coins produced in the mid-60s were of high value. You had the odd sovereign run, but the bulk was low value Cu-Ni and bronze. Nobody would be likely to pinch a lot of these and so a few unoffical strikes would easily get out. Though officaldom would probably have appreciated somebody relieving the mint of the odd million Churchill crown or two. Yes and no! Llantrisant would be the new Mint of course, but only for decimals. Which means it must have begun work in 1968 though only officially opened in 1969 I believe? The Tower Hill Mint continued to produce the remaining predecimal coins, so although there may have been some staff transfers, the technology all stayed in place and the job continued much as before. I also believe that London started producing the proof sets? As it didn't close until 1975 I assume they must have been doing something to justify its continued existence and proof sets would seem to be one way to keep going for a short while.

as if! I think I did say "except Proofs" and I believe the Gothic crowns fall under this category and although there are worn examples it was not meant to be a currency coin. Am I wrong? That's absolutely correct. Are they all proofs? Not sure, but I am sure someone will tell us!

You HAVE to be kidding!! While I agree with the "privacy" thing, "opinion" is something that now runs wild and unfettered, thanks to the internet. God save us from all the trolls who are proliferating behind their computer monitors and broadband. There's far too much opinion out there now. IMO Not kidding at all. How can unfettered opinion be a bad thing? God save us from the day when we are not allowed to have our own opinions! Whilst I agree that the internet has provided a place where some pretty outrageous opinions can be voiced, one has to presume these opinions were held prior to the arrival of the web. Only the ability to communicate them has changed, though there seems to be a fairly concerted attempt to police this (witness jail terms handed out for twitter comments etc.). We need to be careful not to build a dystopian society where only opinions which align with prevailing political thought or policy are allowed. Fahrenheit 451 maybe. Sorry, I'm having difficulty squaring your circle Steve! On the one hand you say that opinion will soon be consigned to history books, on the other you say that we have unfettered opinion. Not sure which way your pendulum is swinging (no sexual references there, I hasten to assure you )

Nevertheless, it's true. I've looked at it very closely, and I cannot see any fingerprints when the coin is held in hand ~ and I have extremely acute eyesight. Don't forget the pic is considerably enlarged. When unclicked on it is exactly the size of a penny (on my screen anyway), can you see any fingerprints then ? errr, no You mean they're actually in it ? Crikey I think you missed my joke there Mike - you were talking about a fingerprint that was invisible in hand ... oh, never mind. No, the Jocks aren't in it. That's the one advantage they have over us I'm missing pretty much everything today, Chris. The constant rain is addling my brain Oh God, you should be down here in the SW. Not just constant rain but high winds. To think we were basking in very warm temperatures only two weeks ago.

But it's a halfpenny? Farthings weren't minted after 1956, or maybe that was a typo on somebody's part. In any case, a fascinating story.

Nevertheless, it's true. I've looked at it very closely, and I cannot see any fingerprints when the coin is held in hand ~ and I have extremely acute eyesight. Don't forget the pic is considerably enlarged. When unclicked on it is exactly the size of a penny (on my screen anyway), can you see any fingerprints then ? errr, no You mean they're actually in it ? Crikey I think you missed my joke there Mike - you were talking about a fingerprint that was invisible in hand ... oh, never mind. No, the Jocks aren't in it. That's the one advantage they have over us

This doesn't come up on Google. Do you have the link?

I'm not sure. Personally I wouldn't risk it. You could place them in acid-free envelopes or in special non-PVC coin flips. What were they in before the cling film?

An invisible "in hand" fingerprint ... I will sit down and think through the surreal logic of that I'm so confused. Right footie starts tomorrow.How do you think the Jocks will get along? Right footie? Isn't that sinister discrimination against all those left sided players? I think the Jocks are in even worse state than we are, which is saying something

The Maundy sets are the best on offer there - both sets are EF (or thereabouts) with nice toning. I don't know anything about hammered, but none of those three jumps out at me. Of the four silver "coins", the first is actually a Victoria Diamond Jubilee medallion (so very timely!) which came in two sizes - crown and shilling-sized, yours is the shilling size. It's in nice condition though its value is fairly modest. The William IV groat is of interest, but only Fine+ condition, so no great value but worth keeping if you like it. The other two are only worth "silver melt", of which the Vic florin - being pure silver - is worth much more than the 50% silver sixpence. The two 1953 coins are common enough in high grades, a lot were minted and kept at the time.