VickySilver

I have heard rumors but will want to see just what is on sale. I was really hoping there would be a 1919H nicer than that in the Part II Sale but think there is not....

John the 1912 looks on my iPhone to have a strike through at that spot and so different than the others which look to have bag contacts. Therefore it is part of the striking. Also at some site there are videos of the RM striking coins - they are very roughly treated tumbling down out of the striking chamber and down a chute into a collecting bin. And then unceremoniously tossed into bags.

I concur, this is a basic and gives a general heading or steerage. Unfortunately, as Mr. T I am nearly certain would agree, most knowledge of colonial comes from experience and following the market, auctions, etc.

I wonder the copper value of the coin.... 0.223 oz. of copper based on 97.5% alloy. Copper today is USD$4.59 per pound (12 troy ounces per pound). 1/54 of a pound = USD .085 per 2P coin....

Yes, many sellers try to confuse buyers and are deceptive representing common 2P pieces as the rare 1983 mule...

I know it doesn't seem fair, but if the more expensive bits are really up there you might still consider StacksBowers or even Heritage. The former gave me 105% of hammer on a couple of nice bits. I have sold doubles or redundancies through them with nary a problem. I may be facing a similar issue some years for now.

Wow! Astounding price on the 1827. Does this mean some of the non-gold 19th century issues (other than that - IMHO - infernal 1847 Gothic) are on the move?

Ah, yes. What I have been trying to find out is more about the 1838 no WW shilling so that answered by question. I did get several coins from that list and now can not really find more....

OK, do you mind checking to see which one had the Vicky shillings? I have recorded that I bought in March but that might have been a "pre" list - to which I used to get thanks to some insider connections (alas no longer). I am trying to research up a couple of things and greatly appreciate your help. I think but will have to check as I think Bull 6th Edition may have referred in the index section to 3/03 but even that would have to double check....

OK I used to get SNC and even purchased some from this list. Has it and lost it. might someone be good enough to copy and email the Victorian shilling “for sale” section to me? Appreciated if possible.

Ah, do share the varieties of Vickies. I need to get schooled, but I really have stuck to the main types & left most of the lettering varieties - if that is what you are referring to. I think I was initially put off by all the reported cleaning on the site - as per the OP above.

Nice buy on that Paddy - I think some of the scarcer coins not in top condition went for chips....I'd like to have seen a few of these in person but London/Mayfair is a bit of a stretch from here in Maryland. I want to see the "True View" at PCGS of the 1838 "No WW".

Ah, thanks Rob. That was the impression from watching the bidding from here on the 'net. Would you be at liberty to say if there were mainly dealers or if there were collectors? I seem to have noticed that the market for even somewhat worn material, even if of scarcer variety, is a bit off. Although there are many others, typical would be the 1863/1 shilling which is at least a bit scarce & it seemed to go for very little. It also seemed as if the consignor was a bit more enthusiastic about the earlier milled shillings as opposed to the Victorian material...

You know I had to have a second look at this auction. Lo and behold, there smacking me in the face was an exceptional 1838 Shilling with "no WW" to base of bust. Not a huge deal but this is not even mentioned in Spink and apparently is quite rare as I have seen precious few about; it was estimated at 200-300 pounds which seemed laughable and went for 1700!

TBH, I think many of the issues with this coin are in the planchet and are pre-strike, and surfaces such as the fields are quite nice actually. Not here to defend the price and also that they frequently seem a bit more than simply "subjective" in their grading.

Yes he is quite defensive about his practices as well, and yet they are right out there like "The Emperor's New Clothes".....He's quite the predator as you've pointed out. With some coins that come up for auction that are rare enough, it has forced other collector/buyers to higher levels as once he gets it, its a wrap as the price will escalate quite a bit. 1925 halfcrowns in truly mint condition and well struck are much scarcer than most people admit. The 1930 seems to be nearly everywhere at GEF and better condition.

I was at first excited to see this collection come up but unfortunately was let down by the quality of the [surprise!] Victorian and later shillings - many were either much more worn that I'd hoped for and really nothing too outstanding. I will have to wait for a few bits I suppose... I guess the most interesting bit was an error of sorts, the 1927 shilling with LEX in place of REX in legend. This looks fairly convincing but I rather hate when there is a lot of wear to a coin with legend errors as it seemingly would not be hard to remove the upper and middle stroke to the "E" in REX in this case.

I was looking over some of the values (and I suppose in this day and age they mean less than ever), and mused a bit about the Vicky silver - can you imagine? One big example in the halfcrowns was the value compare between the 1839 currency and the 1862 and 1864 proof coins; the latter were valued at 1/4 higher whereas IMHO, the exact opposite at higher preservations should be true & that a truly uncirculated specimen of the former might rightfully be valued at double Another was in the sixpence series where in Unc., 1848/7 AND 1848/6 were valued the same as the 1854! Absolutely again IMHO not so. The former is much scarcer in Unc. than the 1848/6, and both likely pale compared to the 1854. Another weakness that likely can not be tackled would be a coin such as the 1882 shilling in a slabbed "66" which along with the 1889 SH in like grade would probably have to be unpriced. In any case, values are relative and in any give sale or auction coins obviously may go higher and lower as we all know. Pegging values is nearly impossible but possibly comparing rarity to some degree might be moreso...

None!

Update? Nope! I have not seen the proof set of 2002 to show up again, and this is subtended by the elusive 1984 Jamaica specimen set. A couple/few are out there but where? On another forum I saw that "allegedly" there were at least struck - and possibly released (or not?) - 113 sets of the 2002 proof set. This supposedly from the Royal Mint who never did respond to my queries via email or Facebook site.....

Agree generally, however I have seen some VERY nice coins occasionally buried in these lots...

I have gotten some nice coins from them, mainly in the distant past however. I would imagine that many decent coins have been lost in those "hoard" lots as listed by Master JMD. I still look at them when they first come out but then forget to bid, and am put off by their odd idiosyncratic methods of auction as have been alluded to. Sometimes I would receive a lot and it looked better than the sorry pictures, and other times worse (more commonly the case). They also now have HUGE runs of sovereigns that really tire me out and scroll through as rapidly as possible. Blah, blah, blah.......Well they are their own.

LOL, that was on Brit ebay and went today off at 100....Couple other real errors by the same seller but I just put up token bids and lost, no big deal...

“Double Reverse”!! Oh well, not too well done….

LOL When you see it on eBay: