Bronze & Copper Collector

Thanks for the replies... At least now I have a rough idea of it's value.... I don't collect patterns as a general rule, but I might keep this one as a curiosity......

HI, Can anyone give me an idea of what this coin is worth??? I believe it's a Peck-1083 pattern penny.... I can't find any sales records of it, so I have no idea of what its value might be..... Thanks

If you compare the I's, they both look identical, with the same imperfections... Also, the linear circle about 5-6 teeth before Britt is clearly recut on the original specimen and appears to be the same on the 2nd example... It's not clear in the image, but I think that I can see the same flaw at that point... A clearer image or direct examination would settle the matter as to whether this is the same die or not.....

Hi Gary, Congratulations on finding another R/B half penny..... I think that they are apparently the same, as the top of the R, which looks like it's doubled or such, is actually slightly damaged..... If you look at the R where the apparent doubling occurs, it's NOT the same shape as a normal R, but rather narrower... If you laid the R's on top of each other, I think that they would match perfectly ....... Of course it's impossible to tell with any certainty without direct examination, but that's my first opinion..... Regards

1956 F-474 Obverse CLOSE-UP

1956 F-474 Obverse

1956 F-474 Reverse CLOSE-UP

1956 F-474 Reverse

I'll have him get in touch with you..... several of the interesting variants are mine anyway, so there shouldn't be a problem...... When is your next edition coming out??? I still have to send you the disk of images that we discussed awhile back.....

The F-277 1st 1/1 is on the CD, although not in the article..... The CD has images of MOST of the different obverses and reverses with information on determining which variety is which...... An essential aid for comparison I have several other variants not in the article, that he has pictured on the CD... I'll PM his email address to you.... I think he is currently out of town, so I don't know how often he is able to check his email.....

The series of articles by Iain Dracott ran in the April, May, & July 2004 issues of Coin News.... I attach a scan of differences from an EXCELLENT reference CD published by Malcolm Lewendon... He has based his work upon Mr. Dracott's articles and this CD is a logical extension of it. It is now in its second edition. If you wish to purchase it, I will provide you with his email address..... Or you can send me yours, and I will forward it to him......

I believe these to be the 2 varieties specified by Iain Dracott in his 2004 article on half pennies. In addition to the Short hair/Long variation between the two, he also notes the following additional differences: SHORT Hair (Reverse A): WIDE SPACED "6 0" in date Shield Crosses have DOUBLE INCUSE lines Thinner LEFT wrist of Britannia, SHORTER Hair on back of neck WEAK flag pole on ship LONG Hair (Reverse A#): CLOSER SPACED "60" in date LOWER RIGHT section of St. Andrews Cross now has TRIPLE INCUSE lines Thicker LEFT wrist of Britannia, LONGER Hair on back of neck STRONGER flag pole on ship, NO incuse line near shield base

Look for the 2nd edition, from 1986.... another excellent reference (for pennies) is "The British Bronze Penny" by Michael Gouby .... it doesn't cover half pennies or farthings though......

Note the diffferent positioning of the 1 of the date, relative to the tooth beneath it....

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I only know of 2 (possibly 3) that have changed hands in the last few years, and about 5 in major collections. plus the one that started this thread......... even if you double that number that still only amounts to 18....... Still EXTREMELY RARE, and even more so because it is RECOGNIZED and DESIREABLE......

Sorry, I couldn't edit my response above to add the following...... The 5 examples that I have had at one time or another, as well as the few others that I have seen, all had this trait as well.....

PS: In reference to the N/Z, In adddition to the N/Z and the recut O in one, I think they all also have a recut or doubled A in Victoria on the obverse...

Well said... A RARITY is RARE.. regardless of its condition..... and they are always CLASSIC, IDENTIFIABLE, and in DEMAND......

No problem, we all learn from one another......

Nice coins Bob & Custard.... Both a bit better than mine..... Both also displaying the first 1 over 1 in the date........ A characteristic that I've noticed on ALL the specimens that I have seen so far.....