TomGoodheart

Egads. Just watching Spink and thinking I might as well give up any hope of buying nice coins in future. Most are way over estimate. And would be well over what I could possibly afford. So much for improving the collection....

Oh, and since we're talking music .. this is a bit more me: http://now.msn.com/mark-sidney-johnson-shows-the-history-of-the-guitar-solo ..well, the Muse bit towards the end anyway!

Is this a good time to mention I have Roger Dean's (who did the Yes artwork) book in my attic? He either autgraphed it or a sticker, I forget which! A most valuable antique, I'm sure for any Yes aficianados!

Phew! Thank goodness that's over! But, wait! What's this?? It's St James' ....and Baldwins and Spink (and Goldberg and Heritage too, if you're into that sort of thing)... Why are there are so many bloody auctions in the Autumn?! Surely it would be better for both auction houses and their customers to spread out the offerings across the year? Me? I'm off to raid the penny jar and start crossing my fingers ... .

Haven't we seen this one before? A Partially naked picture of a man in a mankini. Plus mankini included

What? All wind and wuthering? Sorry, you'll need to have read the other thread to get that.

As a mod I can see the warning points for everyone. But rather like the 'Like This' button, it doesn't appear to work. Or at least, not for me .... maybe just as well you say! As for the blank avatars .. no idea. One for Chris I'm afraid.

Ah, but the principle doesn't factor in emotion or subjectivity. With the Sheldon, you see people saying that an NGCS 70 is better than an NGC 70 and so on. It's not an absolute science. And I can understand what Dave is saying. Once you have slabbed your 'best ever' then you're stuck with it, even if (somehow) a better coin turns up. If we were talking about computers using lasers to assess exactly how many molecules of silver had been knocked off, or how many microns flatter the nose on a 1935 crown had become between the day it was struck and today, you could have an absolute scale. But this is some guys sitting at a table, no? So things like uncertainty and subjectiveness and just how pretty a coin looks 'in the hand' can sneak in to the whole process! Edit. [Doh. Or I could have just said "What Rob said" ]

The folk on Coin Community are fine and friendly. But if you want expert knowledge about British coins I don't think you can do better than here!

I think there's a difference between unpopular and just ... well, not popular. I don't believe people will avoid a TP graded coin if it's at a competitive price. It's just for most UK collectors it's a bit irrelevant. I think we don't see the point of paying for someone else's opinion and storage is a bit of a problem unless all your coins are slabbed. And there certainly isn't the market here that there is in the US where a(n) raw (unslabbed) coin, or one certified by a lesser known TPGS, just won't make the price of a PGCS or NGC slab. The coin market in the US is just very different from the one here. Things might change if we see more high quality Chinese fakes. But then, it hasn't solved the problem in the US and there's no reason to think the UK will be any different. Unless people see a benefit from grade/slabbing it's unlikely to catch on much more than it has so far. IMHO.

OK, here's my take eddie. Which is basically the same as Coinery's! If you plan to sell coins to US buyers, it may be worth slabbing. However you'd be best off using PCGS or NGC as American buyers know them and don't know CGS. PCGS is said to be a bit stricter. However neither is guaranteed to be reliable with non-US coins. If you're planning to sell to CGS collectors .. well, there aren't that many of them. And for most everyone else, it's a coin in a slab that will need breaking out. Slab premium? In the US, yes. Here, very debatable anyone will pay more for a coin just because it's slabbed. If you want to protect your coins from finger marks/ damage, well, capsules will do that for cheaper. And if you like the slabs or having your coins listed in the CGS population reports / hall of fame, ... go for it.

I don't think I'd ever survive as a dealer. I'd love to sell my worst coins. Just getting back what I paid would be acceptable. Unfortunately I suspect they have as much appeal to anyone else as they do to me!

What did you get Gary?

Well, at least some people are winning lots and not spending a fortune. But I'm not sure the apparent popularity of British hammered bodes well for anything I might want in the forseable future...

It wouldn't have surprised me if it had gone there so I think you're in the right range. Looks to be a nice coin. I'd be interested in seeing one of your photos when you get it.

No, you're OK Dave. Just out of interest for my records, how much was it? It might interest you to know that the curious inner circle bit to the lower bust isn't due to double striking, but the die itself. Compare it with this coin and I think you'll see what I mean: E2_2.jpg £190 plus the juiceThanks! A fair price I think. The other coin (which has less flan and an odd shape which to me detracts) sold for £225 two years ago, so well done!

No, you're OK Dave. Just out of interest for my records, how much was it? It might interest you to know that the curious inner circle bit to the lower bust isn't due to double striking, but the die itself. Compare it with this coin and I think you'll see what I mean:

Stanley Baldwin? Has a certain ring to it I guess, though a tad conservative perhaps?

Yes. In principle they offer a useful service if they identify fakes and preserve coins. But the grading / population thing is really just an opinion. If it wasn't then all NGC AU58s would crossover to PCGS AU58. Which of course, they don't. The whole TPGS thing is flawed to me. From TPGS being, like all of us, constrained by their knowledge being limited to just the coins they've seen. That, again like most of us, graders are supposed to be assessing how much wear a coin exhibits compared to a pristine example but are I am sure also swayed by 'eye appeal' and other factors unrelated to wear. And the financial needs of TPGS being based on people believing that a slabbed coin is more attractive than a raw one.

Ah now we're talking....the Live '79 album is probably the most perfect music of the 20th Century. That and the Inkspots anyway. I miss album covers .... Now it's all digital there's no .. art. (Says he while listening to some German electro on a webplayer..)

LOL Ok, I have heard of Floyd. But not to the extent I'd recognise lyrics. I suspect by the time Fat Old Sun was out I was listening to Hawkwind. It all went downhill from there really as I now alternate between metal and futurepop.

Well, I always say, it's a good thing we don't all like the same thing! Personally I (obviously) like shillings and while I keep thinking of buying a few hammered pennies, by the time they drop to much below the size of a current penny I somehow find them less attractive. Maundy pennies while often nice in detail are a bit ... tiddly! I guess if ever I do decide to branch out from the current theme I shall have to decide how I feel about that as a run of silver pennies quite appeals .. but then the same could be said for a few sixpences. Oh well, nice to keep my options open!

Not popular. There is too much large and interesting Chas 1 material for the small things to get much attention. I suspect this is a good example of how rarity is not always linked to price. I occasionally wonder about picking up a denomination set, from penny upwards, just for fun. But I've noticed that finding the lower value coins in really decent condition, centrally struck on a proper round flan is ... well, I don't know it's impossible, but it bloody well wouldn't be easy! A well struck coin should go for a premium over Spink, but smaller coins don't often seem to reach prices that reflects how much time and effort you'll need to expend to find them. Whereas even a battered Newark coin is normally priced well over it's regular issue equivalent. The popularity of siege issues creates the opposite effect in that they really aren't as rare (OK, apart from a few odd denominations) as you might imagine from the price. And on that note, what I personally still find a bit odd is that pierced Newarks go for much less. Which suggests to me that collectors are swayed by the story behind them (and so prepared to pay high) but still mark them down for holes as if they were regular coins. I actually like the idea of owning a pierced one. That to me adds to the history of the thing. But then I have a fondness for amulets, medallions and the like, so I guess I'm odd! Anyway, that's a purchase for another day. When the Tower shilling collection is complete.

Don't have the current edition, but in my old 2006 for S2824 was £90 in VF, so even if it has doubled ....

If it sells it will be to an American ...